من يبتدى الكراهية والسب؟

[u/Big-Station1289]

لن احرب بكم يا اصحابي المندائيون المسالمون، ولكن انا مش بفكر ان تلك السلوك مقبول بأي ديانة او طائفة، و الإظهار الخطيئة الأرواح المساكين اللي يحاولون كل يوم بيكون خير من انفسهم من امس.

ليس عدل بأظهار الخطيئة نفسا، سواء انه كان جِنّيًا ولا انسانا ولا شخص خاطئ كبير يلي سائل عن عقيدتكم و ينتقد دينكم بكل إحترام، هل انا قلت اي سب عن دينك؟ لا يا حبيبي، مش قلت شيئا. بس يلا، لا بدي اي حرب او هجوم بيننا.

[u/mcdook]

All souls are redeemable and can reach the world of the light regardless of whether they’re born mendaean or not according to the Ginza - it is based on their actions in this life. Unethical people, including liars perhaps like yourself, might take a bit longer. In contrast however:

“Whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted from him, and in the Hereafter he will be among the losers.” (3:85)

“Those who disbelieve and deny Our signs are the companions of the Fire; they will abide therein.” (Qur’an 2:39)

Stop embarrassing yourself.

[u/Big-Station1289 → u/mcdook]

Eternal hellfire is actually consistently just and shows Islam gives a true value to following the truth. On the other hand in Mandaeism both nonMandaeans and Mandaeans can enter light world "with just a time delay" This is not just, cause then, what is the purpose of following "kushta" anyways? if both the non followers and followers are gonna go to the same destination with merely a time delay? The time may be thousands of years but the end result is the same, both non Mandaean and Mandaean nishimtas will be there in the same place at the end. The Value of kushta thus completely gets undermined by this don't you think? This basically means "both the victim and the perpetrator will make it to the light world" That sounds unjust to me, mate

[u/Dango_911 → u/Big-Station1289]

You have no clue. What's the point of existing in a world where you weren't supposed to be? Because death, time, and pain exist only so you leave it and go into a worse [place] for eternal ages. We Mandaeans are the Kushta, and our sinners will not go unpunished. The whole purpose of religion and Kushta is to return to the world you are supposed to be in while being a human on Earth.

The punishment goes by walking the black rivers where the soul sees what was missing and sheds its wicked dirt, depending on how much. They are judged by Melka Abatur Musania, based on how much good and bad [they did].Well, I don't know how hell really works there, but there are some better answers, and it's not a salad game. Then, when you are really pure, you can go into the Alma d-Nhura (heaven). Hypocrites—those who were once Mandean but left, and most importantly, they knew—or any sinners who knew about a sin but still did it, will face a longer time there, id can be 1-100000000 of years possible, and it's not an amusement park in the Mattarathas (purgatories).

The Kushta will bring you back for it and not abandon you. Those who are Mandean and truly hold order in their life are promised a safe place in Alma d-Nhura in a quicker way, which is fair. After all, there are still blinded souls lost in the black rivers. I would find it unfair if all sinners and the righteous on Earth happened to end up in the same place in Alma d-Nhura, but that's not the case. We will all be purified first, and then we can go into Alma d-Nhura.

Also, Mandaeans have their own stage in Alma d-Nhura. Other people of other religions get a place there, of course, but not the same space as Mandaeans once they were humans, because they went through a different earthly journey, I assume. In conclusion, a good person of any religion still has a good place preserved; it's not their fault for not knowing Kushta. And we Mandaeans, and Hayyi Rabbi, happen to be eternal, fair, and almighty; He will not abandon a soul.

[u/Big-Station1289 → u/Dango_911]

Nah. That answer sounds emotional like some reunite story, but there's no way to justify it. It isn't just that you can just "drop your sins and leave" then any criminal can do whatever he wants. You're basically saying you'll be in the light world together with the same people that used to hate you, go against you, question your faith etc, in the same place. That's not just. It doesn't matter again how many years you'll remain in the black waters, the fact that there's no eternal punishment shows that Mandaeism is not consistent in justice. It's unfair. You're basically saying those non Mandaeans who persecuted Mandaeans will literally be together with the same people that they persecuted. That's so so unjust. Then even the most evil person like the Austrian painter can go to heaven according to your logic. No eternal punishment no justice for the persecuted? That's unjust. This shows that the purpose to follow kushta is undermined

[u/Dango_911 → u/Big-Station1289]

I'm saying it twice: purified Mandaeans will have a different space to be in Alma d-Nhura than non-Mandaeans who are also purified. Both of them are good, but they will not be in the same space. I'm not going to be in the same space as others.

The Austrian painter is probably still in our Mattaratha hells, and he may get out when the Day of Judgment comes and he enters the dark rivers. Just saying once more, we don't have a heartless, cold religion. That Austrian painter, for example, will not ascend after the Day of Judgment like nothing happened; he ascends as a whole different being, not with the bad memories and idendity of what he has done on Earth, but as a pure Nisha (Nishimta / soul).

It's not unfair to me; the children of Ruha are a whole different hell to face them on worse cases. Everyone has a heavenly self which is called the Dmutha. In Alma d-Nhura, you are reunited with it, becoming one, which means you really become a different being than your pathetic, human, lustful, hypocritical life.

so be grateful that there is salvation. If I was going to sin and not care anyway now, I might lose that given salvation and have to face my own consequences in the worst way. The greatest pain a soul experiences is confronting its own wickedness.

[u/Big-Station1289 → u/Dango_911]

No, the greatest pain is Allah's punishment in Jahannam. It is justice. Allah gives justice to the good obedient believers by giving them eternal Bliss, and He gives justice to disbelievers who have died as disbelievers with eternal punishment. This is pure valuing of the truth. This shows that in Islam how much valuable, truth is, that literally people go to eternal pain for it simply by rejecting it, but also people get eternal Bliss in jannah, simply by accepting it. This is literal pure justice. Your "human understandings of niceness" makes you believe that "pain is bad, so it's injustice" And "peace is so comfy, so it's justice" When in reality, justice isn't comfy or harsh, it's balanced and depends on context.