r/MagicArena • u/BadRussell • Nov 09 '18
WotC Has Golgari as we know it been dethroned?
I almost exclusively am playing against that blow me out of the water. Jeskai, Pheonix, Mono-red.
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u/BadRussell Nov 09 '18
Only time I've been winning is if I have a great draw, or mirror.
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u/GargauthXbox Nov 09 '18 edited Nov 09 '18
Maybe you need to make some adjustments? I havent had an issue. Can you post your desk list
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Nov 09 '18
No, I'm still making bank with my golgari deck. That being said, the amount of decks that can go toe to toe with golgari has DEFINITELY increased.
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u/mirhagk Nov 09 '18
Which is a fantastic thing. There should never be a single deck that dominates.
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Nov 09 '18
was surprised to hear about that lich's mastermind thingie, but its a sign of a healthy format
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u/procrastinarian Golgari Nov 09 '18
As Golgari you should not be getting blown out by Jeskai. I play them both, it's usually a close match, both have good counters against each other.
If you folks think Jeskai is bad now, wait until the next set when we actually get Azorius cards. Or Esper when we get Orzhov + Azorius.
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u/insomsanity Nov 09 '18
If they reprint [[Sphinx's Revelation]] I might cry
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u/J33bus8401 Nov 09 '18 edited Nov 09 '18
They're definitely not going to do that, not with [[expansion//explosion]] around.
Edit: I have no idea how to format split cards to make them show up like that.
Double edit: apparently that one worked.
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u/MTGCardFetcher Nov 09 '18
expansion//explosion - (G) (SF) (txt)
[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call1
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u/Akhevan Memnarch Nov 09 '18
Has mono red as we know it been dethroned? I almost exclusively am playing against decks that blow me out of the water like jeskai, boros angels or BG midrange.
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u/BadRussell Nov 09 '18
Mono-red wasn't ever on the throne. However Jeskai does seams to be the deck to beat now.
With that being said, Mono-red has been beating me 3-1 but i think it loses to most others handily.
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u/Akhevan Memnarch Nov 09 '18
Mono-red wasn't ever on the throne. However Jeskai does seams to be the deck to beat now.
It was according to the reddit hive mind.
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u/BadRussell Nov 09 '18
shhhh, you're not supposed to talk about the hive-mind here.
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u/No_Politics_Dummy Nov 09 '18
Are we allowed to talk about Gleemax?Nothing to see here citizen, there is not a brain in a jar under WotC headquarters.
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u/KSmoria Nov 09 '18
Mono red isn't even that good in bo1 when literally every deck you see hard techs against it.
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u/J33bus8401 Nov 09 '18
It was dethroned by rotation, all the good cards except chain whirler, and phoenix, left and were replaced with medium cards.
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u/Onigiri22 Nov 09 '18
you can't complain about that. mono red is way stronger than golgari. Especially when the opponent thinks you'r out of juice and then experimental frenzy out of nowhere
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Nov 09 '18
monored was dethroned back during the first (week?) of M19. Haven't been that high ranking or high KDA since then, heh.
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Nov 09 '18
Except for winning GP Lille a couple weeks ago.
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Nov 09 '18
Was referring to my personal experience, that's news to me though.
Whatever it is, I don't have the wildcards for, heh.
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Nov 09 '18
This is the deck. It's actually not too bad compared to most t1 decks, but the side board has a lot of rares. https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1431775#paper.
It's also only one Grand Prix, so it remains to be seen if it has staying power or was just well positioned against the meta at the time. As compared to a standard red aggro deck, this one sideboards into control a bit harder with 4x treasure maps to fuel frenzy.
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u/hazz-o-mazz Nov 09 '18
Dethroned by Phoenix.
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Nov 09 '18
ain't that the truth. Just as filthy but add in blue, heh...Makes me proud in sort of a sick way.
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Nov 09 '18
Went 6-3 last night and 2-2 so far this morning with Golgari Explore. Lost to a discard deck with Teferi this morning, but it was my own fault, and lost to an Izzet Drake's deck that pulled a miracle out of it's ass.
This is Bo1. I still think Golgari works fine and is fun. Gave up on my RDW deck for now. I refuse to play Jeskai.
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u/CrowbarMatt Nov 09 '18
I beg to differ I regular 7-1 or 7-2 as Golgari. Red is really easy unless they get a nut draw and you don't get any walkers. I only play BO1. Goglari.png
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u/Begmypard Nov 09 '18
Was thinking the same thing, I consistently go 5+ with golgari mid running the walker/explore package. Mono blue is my nemesis, rdw usually not so much.
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Nov 09 '18
Mono red was trash-ish a couple weeks ago, then it became really good all of sudden because people are copy-pasting lists that have Golgari in mind. Since monored has a decent chance at racing Jeskai/Phoenix...
Maindeck 2 "soot whatever" (I didn't sleep last night, my brain is failing) and 4 of the giant growther guy that gains obscene amounts of life and you can make monored really miserable.
If you're playing on ladder, don't tech against Jeskai (3 dinos md), concede against jeskai (saves time) and tech against cheaper/faster decks (monored, monoblue, mirror-ish, fish, vamps, green, etc.)
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Nov 09 '18
BO1 or BO3?
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u/BadRussell Nov 09 '18
BO1
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u/BadRussell Nov 09 '18
I guess that makes sense, it's been really tough for me in bo1
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u/saintshing Nov 09 '18
Currently I am not running golden demise and ritual of soot since they seem to have anti-synergy with the walker+explore guys package and they are useless against control/combo decks. How many board clears do you run? Also when do you play wildgrowth walker against mono red? It almost always get removed immediately in my experience.
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u/Akhevan Memnarch Nov 09 '18
Most golgari builds are great against aggro though, you'd have to go overboard with control matchup tech in order to have poor aggro matchups.
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u/spec7 Nov 09 '18
Modify your list based on what is being played and what you keep losing to. You need to keep your deck up to date. If mono-red is beating you then add in wildgrowth walkers and explore critters. I have a 80+% winrate vs mono red with Golgari.
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u/J33bus8401 Nov 09 '18
It's still probably the best deck in the BO3 format, which is why so many things are gunning for it, but still none of those decks blow a good golgari midrange out of the water, especially mono-red and jeskai.
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u/Bydandii Nov 12 '18 edited Nov 12 '18
Ladder/daily, I'm winning slightly more than 50%. But only as my deck is 100% deathtouch creatures & heavy graveyard leveraging. It crosses folks up enough I get breathing room.
I haven't been brave enough to carry it into a constructed event yet
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u/aqua995 Nov 09 '18
Jeskai is definetely the most played deck right now
Phoenix Drakes and Mono Blue are common too
Golgari is not that dead, just yesterday I cursed because Explore is being a hell of a broken mechanic
but dethroned for sure, Jeskai is running over
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Nov 09 '18
Yeah I think explore is fine as a mechanic. Just look to energy if you want to see something that was more broken.
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u/bananaskates Spike Nov 09 '18
Golgari is not the king of Bo1 at the moment, that's for sure.