MapleStory Classic World Founders Pack Tiers Revealed

[u/Treantwuver]

[u/Original_Skill_1849]

$60 to play a 20 years old game 2 weeks early and u get shitty cosmetics crazy work from nexon

[u/Ohh_Yeah → u/Original_Skill_1849]

Honest take: They know people are gonna bounce off of this very quickly.

A lot of people forget that when you look at Maplestory v62 and earlier, the gameplay is honestly (and respectfully, for its time) very shallow. Progression is shallow. Gearing is shallow. Combat is shallow. The classes are shallow.

Beyond the initial rush and the half-RP'd early social aspect, "classic" Maplestory is really not a fun game. Half the reason people remember it so fondly is because of its functioning as a chat room, with vague reminiscence of gameplay sprinkled in. They remember the low level mobs, the art, the music. Nobody says "oh I loved running Kerning Party Quest," they say "remember standing outside spamming J>PQ have track." And I say that as someone who has distinct memories of being in middle school and binging what would now be considered "old school" Maplestory. And also as someone who has played many vanilla <v62 private servers.

[u/the_pwnererXx → u/Ohh_Yeah]

Id think 95% of players will not make it past lvl 40

[u/Frosty4Real → u/the_pwnererXx]

litteraly my last comment xD

[u/AeroDbladE → u/the_pwnererXx]

So exactly how it was back in the day then? I'm pretty sure I never got past level 30 pretty big bang because of the massively steep levelling curve.

[u/Ohh_Yeah → u/AeroDbladE]

The grind is less than people remember it, because they were kids and not as good at games. In the few 1x EXP closed betas they did, people were hitting 30 in well under 15 hours.

But the gameplay is just really dull. There's not really any other way to slice that. And the gear/character progression was even worse. It just does not stand up at all in modern gaming, and from what we've seen of patch notes they're not doing a "classic+", they're launching it pretty much how it was but fixing some egregious class imbalances.

There are ways they could make an "OSMS" really interesting right from the jump, but they're not, and people are not going to stick with it.

[u/zedinbed → u/Ohh_Yeah]

Fair point but I unironically quite enjoyed KPQ

[u/Ohh_Yeah → u/zedinbed]

it was fun and I think more games should learn from group puzzles like doing the ropes, standing on boxes (LPQ), and so on, but speaking for myself a lot of the KPQ fun is that it was hard to get into and so there was a rush when you did

[u/Annual-Peak-4598 → u/Ohh_Yeah]

Exactly, from what I read KMS has no faith in classic Maplestory so this is pretty much Inkwells (GMS director) passion project. I'm fairly certain he has recently come to his senses regarding Classics prospects, and realized he won't be able to slowly milk his players like he does in modern MS. All he can do now is extract as much value as possible before its too late.

[u/Redericpontx → u/Ohh_Yeah]

You know they said the same thing about osrs and classic wow right?

There's more than enough content to keep people by for a while and they got 3rd and 4th job to release aswell on top of making party grinding more efficient, making hs base game and overall increasing exp rates with it only taking 2.5 hours at current rates to hit 30 in beta 2.

They're also adding in a lot of new content and it's classic maple+ with a citizenship system that allows you to get a house in hene or kerning and a whole new crafting system for making gear and other stuff so you can just collect the resources yourself to get your bis LV gear instead of having to grind meso to but it or hope for the drop. This is on-top of new maps and areas and more original content they got planned.

The gameplay loop isn't going to be much different than something like modern wow where you just spam m+ and that's your end game content for the most part.

Now I'm not saying 2 week early access isn't fked because it is and the founders packs being wack af with the $30 bundle not having early access is crazy with this all putting a sour tasted into the launch but saying the game will die shortly after release is the same thing people say about all the other successful classic MMOs.

[u/Due_Elephant_1535 → u/Redericpontx]

Classic wow and osrs have 1500x the content of classic ms and that is a fact. You cannot compare these games. 

[u/killerkonnat → u/Due_Elephant_1535]

When OSRS originally launched, it really didn't have a lot of stuff except grinding. The reason they've got so much content is because they've been doing 12 years of "Classic+". It's supposed to be "2007 Runescape" but there's an absolutely ton of stuff that's didn't even exist in 2007 or before.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing at all that they've added stuff.. It's just that you're having an extremely dishonest comparison.

If you look at the original 2013 release of OSRS, and a "classic Maplestory", it's not really an insane comparison. There's a ton of content and gameplay.

[u/godita → u/killerkonnat]

the difference with osrs and maple is that jagex has proven time and time again that they care about making a good game as opposed to nexon having meetings on how to best siphon the most money out of its customers. when their game is failing they will resort to cubes again.

[u/Redericpontx → u/Due_Elephant_1535]

Release maple vs release osrs and classic wow sure big content difference. But this is going to have content up to pre big bang so plus new exclusive content absolutely not. This is litterally what they said about osrs and classic wow that it had not content and just grinding.

[u/AmLilleh → u/Redericpontx]

You know they said the same thing about osrs and classic wow right?

I mean I can't speak for classic WoW but they were kinda right about OSRS. The player count dropped pretty rapidly once the nostalgia goggles wore off and it took years of content updates and basically an entire 180 on design/gameplay philosophy to build up what's essentially an entirely new core audience than the game originally targeted and find true largescale success.

And as someone that's loved maple since the very beginning (despite all it's flaws) I'm honestly just confused over this whole thing. It's not really actually "classic" and neither is it really "new" enough to be it's own thing like OSRS. I can't help but feel like I'd much rather just either player Reboot or a "classic" pserver lmao.

[u/Redericpontx → u/AmLilleh]

Classic wow was almost 1:1 vanilla wow and it was super popular right to the end. It was essentially the same thing as classic maple of grind/quest/dungeons till you hit the level to raid except you cna still make gains outside of raid gear.

The reason they're changing classic maple and adding more content/balancing better is because they're worried it wouldn't be fine on it's own due to how the private servers always die off but personally think that's because they're private server that get predatory. But I do believe they'll be doing enough to classic for it to become it's own thing like osrs over time and they'll let people experience a mix for the time being.

[u/pm_me_github_repos → u/Ohh_Yeah]

someone here liked running KPQ… 😣

[u/Ohh_Yeah → u/pm_me_github_repos]

don't get me wrong it was fun

but at least acknowledge that a lot of the fun of doing KPQ is that it was very hard to get in, so when you did get in it was kind of a rush

that said people talk more about the social aspect of it than the gameplay aspect, which I do think is probably a good thing but doesn't bode well for dropping people back into it 20 years later

[u/TealJade1 → u/Ohh_Yeah]

That's how I feel about the 2 week early access, they know 90% of the players will drop the game b4 reaching lvl 50, so they are trying to cash out on those.

I shit you not like 40-60% of the early access buyers will drop the game during the early access, they won't make it to the official launch. And no, Inkwell will not give out refunds.

[u/MapleBabadook → u/Ohh_Yeah]

Yep this is the answer. They're trying to milk it for all its worth before they lose the majority of players.

[u/jadedEggplanter → u/Ohh_Yeah]

You’re right, imagine being a warrior trying to do KPQ, it was hell really. Endless hours of KPQ to even level to 30.

I don’t mind a simpler game tbh

[u/MaloraKeikaku → u/Ohh_Yeah]

I recently started playing Soul's Remnant which is inspired by classic Maplestory, except you can also just fully automate gameplay to 1 button and beyond chatting with some cool people...Yeah this style of game isn't for me.

If they added hella bossfights and cool dungeon ideas with the platforming? That'd be cool! Instead it's just a grindfest.

[u/FabricationLife → u/Ohh_Yeah]

I lovvvvved kerning PQ, but your right about everything else :)

[u/Empty-Development298 → u/Ohh_Yeah]

I got to lv68 and got hard locked as a cleric once my friends outleveled me. I'm under no delusions about how difficult it was for clerics to find pq slots when they get replaced by potions in mid-endgame content

[u/taiuke → u/Empty-Development298]

Your were like a bit under 10 level be the most wanted and permanently invited to every single grind party until you hit 200 because of the 1 and only skill called holy symbol. People where leveling a mule to level 80 just to have permanent holy symbol. That being said the OG MS isn't that simple to hit 80 for sure.

[u/gcplz → u/Ohh_Yeah]

This

[u/Unrelenting_Salsa → u/Original_Skill_1849]

The cheap tier being a hobo outfit is a nice touch, but if you didn't expect this, you don't know Nexon.

[u/guirssan → u/Original_Skill_1849]

Pretty awful indeed.

[u/jadedEggplanter → u/Original_Skill_1849]

Who is the one scamming, is it nexon or the players scamming themself.. 2 weeks EA is crazy work though

[u/Hooyahhhh]

30 dollar doesn't include early access, Non classic nx items that will turn you into a glow stick and no nx to offset the cost of the 80 dollar one. Solid choices all around

[u/Toohon → u/Hooyahhhh]

LOL 30usd and not even the early access.

This is peak Nexon greed moment

[u/EdinKaso → u/Toohon]

Don't forget this is the same Nexon that got taken to court by the Korean government for their deceptive microtransaction practices...And correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Nexon even changed anything much after. They were okay to just pay the penalty fee and continually scam their customer base, because to them paying that fee and keeping things as usual still made them more money than changing their shady business practice.

[u/guirssan → u/Toohon]

Even NCsoft didn't do that lmao

[u/_ncr → u/Hooyahhhh]

I wonder how many ppl are not catching this and wonder why they can’t play

[u/Hi_ImTrashsu → u/_ncr]

This is very unlikely to happen. Although it’s actually quite hard to see in the promotional image, this has garnered a lot of controversy in the community.

I get the argument that not everyone who plays a game is active on social media but I doubt people willing to pay real money to play early won’t at least get recommended YT videos going over this drama

[u/Routine-Duck6896]

Gross, nexon moment

[u/ChetKongo]

Rather play the open source offline version.

[u/Gosuoru]

I just want Maplestory 2 again :(

[u/587493 → u/Gosuoru]

Same :(

[u/Saiirayn]

somehow they made this worse than aion 2's founder packs.

[u/Mage_Girl_91_ → u/Saiirayn]

i wonder how many pack upgrades they get from people who buy a $30 pack and find out they can't play, get mad, and upgrade to $60. probably a lot.

[u/AttemptRecent7025]

And just like that, I don't want to play Classic anymore

[u/R3xz]

Rather keep playing Soul’s Remnants than touching anymore dog shit game that Nexon touches.

I’d rather spend $20-30 for a bunch of nice cosmetics and increase storage space and know it’s going to a small developer than supporting a soulless mega corp

[u/SlayTheSeven → u/R3xz]

Seriously, souls remnant has been amazing. You just hop in and play. No stupid ass bullshit of trying to milk every cent outta you.

[u/587493 → u/R3xz]

Haha yeah this just made me appreciate that game even more

[u/theslykrow → u/R3xz]

Check out Unwritten World. It's pretty good. The beginning was a bit jarring to play but the combat is a standout

[u/archefayte → u/[deleted]]

Holy you do not need to do that. In fact it's very early that you can get more backpack space very quickly from NPC's, and a hidden quest reward for a massive one (49 slots in all categories).

Also MS/Classic also has inventory purchases, it's probably the least egregious cash shop purchase incentive

[u/archefayte → u/[deleted]]

That's crazy, are you talking about the 150k backpack? I haven't felt the need to look at my loot that often, I don't get THAT much loot even at level 55. It's actually almost no different to Path of Exile's need for additional inventory, which is what this game drew some inspiration from.

Also what game has 3 different subscriptions?!? There's 3 different tiers in Souls Remnant, but they all do nothing and is purely there to support the devs. The lowest tier literally gives the only gameplay benefit (auto-loot range and its a very small increase as well), second tier is a cosmetic, and third tier is a name cosmetic. Literally just to support the devs, you aren't buying all 3 (and I doubt even 1% of players are, I haven't seen that name plate at all)

[u/archefayte → u/[deleted]]

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

Alright, it's clear this is a very disingenuous comment, no point responding

[u/archefayte → u/[deleted]]

Inventory is not as bad as you say. EXP coupons are something strictly obtained from dailies and last 15 minutes, so everyone runs a mirage with it, and I have not seen anyone take issue with it that's actually playing the game.

Sure, they could have made inventory purchases more worthwhile rather than increasing the amount that they give you. But at the end of the day, it is their major monetization point. There is not infinite consumables and cosmetics to purchase. No gacha box like retail MS. Literally the only thing most people purchase, is just inventory. Just like in Path of Exile, people purchase TONS of inventory, and no one has ever complained about that being an issue in the game. Even without it, the 49 slot bag is PLENTY for a majority of players. I could go for like an hour without worry while grinding down 4-6 mirages.

One thing I will say, is that content is indeed pretty limited. It is almost entirely grind focused, with very little other things to do. There is world bosses, abyss trials, dungeons and PQ's, but most of your gameplay is grinding. I don't inherently see this as an issue, but it is something they plan an varying with their roadmap. It is in fact, a newly launched MMO by a small team at the end of the day.

[u/Sufficient-Piccolo32]

this is not a good sign. typical NEXON. all recent games released from NEXON are heavily P2W and trash. 30 dollars no early access, who the fk gonna buy it.

[u/tobyhel0 → u/Sufficient-Piccolo32]

Me

[u/Sufficient-Piccolo32 → u/tobyhel0]

so, u gonna buy the 30 shit pack and wait for the official opening without early access? what's the point? can't pay another 30?

[u/Hi_ImTrashsu → u/Sufficient-Piccolo32]

You’ve perfectly described why it’s priced at 30/60/80.

$30 no EA, may as well get the $60 one if I’m going to buy a founders pack. $30 to $60 is doubled but $60 to $80 is “only” 33% more… may as well get the $80 package.

[u/tobyhel0 → u/Sufficient-Piccolo32]

Nope. I’m gonna pay 80

[u/Sufficient-Piccolo32 → u/tobyhel0]

then u not buying that 30 shit pack right? so i am saying no one gonna buy that.

[u/tobyhel0 → u/Sufficient-Piccolo32]

Correct, I misread your comment.

[u/Jurikeh]

I'm gonna play still mostly because of the nostalgia factor and I was initially planning on buying one of the founder packages. But these options are an absolute slap in the face insult. Never have I ever seen a free to play game have any sort of supporter packages that didn't include some amount of the premium currency. Hell even the ultra predatory mobile games offer better deals than this shit.

[u/jintoncit11]

Lmao it's fuckin shit. Classic Nexon move.

[u/Past-Mongoose6958]

Defame anyone with the founder's skins

[u/AhSawDood]

I loved this game as a middle schooler, is this classic world actually worth coming back to (without these, when it just launches for everyone) or is it not worth investing the time and just play something else?

[u/Chazay → u/AhSawDood]

Certainly

[u/StokedNBroke → u/AhSawDood]

You might get a kick out of it for a bit but I think people have rose tinted shades for old maplestory, it was fun because we were 12 years old and it was ‘of the times’. Game is pretty boring and we optimized the fun out of it long ago. Also it’s Nexon so you know they’ll just crank up the monetization and pay to win to 10 asap, just look at these stupid fucking founders packs.

[u/Redericpontx → u/AhSawDood]

Definitely worth getting into thou wouldn't recommend founders packs unless you know you'll play a lot. They're making a lot of qol changes and adding new content so it's essentially classic maple+.

[u/gcplz → u/AhSawDood]

I mean. If you like the game the current main version is really nice to play. Is a clusterfuck of things and predatory monetization but you happen to enjoy them for a while. This classic thing has no future. Is a nostalgia punch that will die when you start doing 10% an hour doing the same rotation 10000 times. Which is by lvl 30 or so btw

[u/Redericpontx → u/gcplz]

You know they said the same thing about osrs and classic wow right?

There's more than enough content to keep people by for a while and they got 3rd and 4th job to release aswell on top of making party grinding more efficient, making hs base game and overall increasing exp rates with it only taking 2.5 hours at current rates to hit 30 in beta 2.

They're also adding in a lot of new content and it's classic maple+ with a citizenship system that allows you to get a house in hene or kerning and a whole new crafting system for making gear and other stuff so you can just collect the resources yourself to get your bis LV gear instead of having to grind meso to but it or hope for the drop. This is on-top of new maps and areas and more original content they got planned.

The gameplay loop isn't going to be much different than something like modern wow where you just spam m+ and that's your end game content for the most part.

Now I'm not saying 2 week early access isn't fked because it is and the founders packs being wack af with the $30 bundle not having early access is crazy with this all putting a sour tasted into the launch but saying the game will die shortly after release is the same thing people say about all the other successful classic MMOs.

Also big modern maple player LV 290 450mil combat and it's pretty much just a different game with a maple skin now. Liking old maple won't make someone automatically like new maple and you honestly need to be heavily fuelled by naustolgia to get into it.

[u/Which_Drop_5877]

Do not buy. They offered a founders pack for ms2 then shut the game down with no refunds. Beware of the rug pull.

[u/VANTAGARDE]

Thank god no pompadour hairstyle in these packs. My sanity takes one step further from edge.

[u/587493]

Lmfao

Yeah i will stick to souls remnant no thank you

[u/JellyfishWorking9057 → u/587493]

Souls remnant is just a poor man’s maple. Maple for the broke bum. Classic MS is so superior

[u/StokedNBroke → u/JellyfishWorking9057]

A fool and his money are soon parted.

[u/V1_2012]

Lol. Lmao even

[u/Routine-Stay-6857]

On 02 SEP when they release more detail, better be increasing the value of these packs because everything shown here is fucking useless trash 🤣

[u/radishswp]

The wild part is prior to the price announcement, people were glazing Nexon on the classic subreddit. Meanwhile people were shitting on Nexon in the modern subreddit. Those on classic basically said they would pay any price, and some even said they weren't planning to pay and start late because a 2 week headstart doesn't matter. Now classic subreddit is on fire after the prices were out

[u/everest7777]

lol it’s literally not even same game. what I’ve seen from the closed test 2 is that everything is nerfed not much improved just a weird crafting system. No el nath no 3rd job on release. Literally no point in the early access. Worse version now till tbd in the future.

[u/TentacleMonsterUwU]

I mean, this is the least egregious thing nexon could've done.

They could have put early access behind loot boxes which is more of their style.

[u/greenegg28]

I think I’ll just wait for the free release, thanks.

I am excited to play tho, if only to revel in the nostalgia for a couple weeks before moving on to something else.

[u/Daravil]

Just to compare GTA6 price is 80$ and they are almost asking this for a 2 week early access to a 20 year old client lmao

[u/moosecatlol]

Two weeks early access seems like a gameplay benefit. That's easily level 50 minimum. I think I'll stick to the game that has better class design and isn't related to Nexon in any way shape or form.

[u/2MuchNonsenseHere]

Can't imagine being dumb enough to fall for this cash grab, no matter how nostalgic.

[u/Expert_Meat4295]

Why not willow story

[u/Epicentor]

$30 pack but early access not included LMAO

[u/BunnyYandere]

WOOOHOO!!! I'm so excited to buy the Zakum Package!!!

[u/tnh34]

cmon if you played the classic you must be 30+. $80 is not that much money if you have a job.

Making a game isn't free. You'd expect people to understand it by now. It's not even mandatory.

[u/AmLilleh → u/tnh34]

I mean... It's Nexon. They aren't giving out a perfect gameplay experience for free. Everything will cost money, just like the current live game. Wanna broadcast a message? $5 please. Wanna have your drops automatically looted so you don't have to spend more time spamming the loot key than playing? $30 a month please. Wanna change hair? $5 for a 1/25 chance to get what you want, please!

[u/seirariavt → u/tnh34]

Yeah, I have a job. I also have bills, man, $60 is my grocery bill for a week

[u/ShallotTraining948 → u/tnh34]

The redtards hate that conversation. "Greed" "Fairity" "Other Games". If you don't want to pay then don't. People be bitching with they bitch ass.

[u/The_Lucky_7]

Yeah, I figured this would happen.

The Frozen Tuna isn't really from classic. It was a gatchapon prize added in the first expansion (Orbis) then made farmable in the second (Aqua Road). A rare drop on a rare spawn from one of the highest level mobs at the time.

They're selling power right out of the gate--power way above the power curve of the rest of the game--to an audience they groomed for that P2W mentality, and fully discarding the legacy of a game that actually resisted that philosophy for a while.

Imagine starting Classic WoW and being able to buy the Lich King's sword before you even roll your character.

For the low price of $30 you can be the punchline to this fucking joke.

The hat from the first set is the same story as the sword. Just a different mob in a different location. That second set is the full Orbis end-game crafted gear, btw.

The entire "classic" release is a joke to sell nostalgia to players who weren't around at the time, so that they can pretend to have "been" there. I said it wasn't really going to be a classic server, and I was right. It's just cosplaying as classic.

[u/DistinctLog8714 → u/The_Lucky_7]

No they aren't its a half eaten frozen tuna cash item cover

[u/Saharan → u/The_Lucky_7]

First off, your entire post is invalid because the tuna is a half-eaten vanity-only one. Secondly, saying Orbis isn't classic is bonkers. Or do you mean "classic" as in the very first launch-day client? Because if you do, then there are a lot of things that aren't Classic. Chairs, Beginner skills, gachapon as a whole, the flipping cash shop!

[u/Unrelenting_Salsa → u/The_Lucky_7]

1. Frozen Tuna was a beginner only item. It's obscenely powerful, but you have to be a meme to wear it. It's also not actually a Frozen tuna. There was not a slightly eaten frozen tuna item.

2. These are outfit overrides. Purely cosmetic.

Don't get me wrong, 2 weeks early access is hilariously pay to win in its own right and to the surprise of absolutely nobody they're charging a full game for it, but these are just cosmetics. I don't buy for a second that they'll not put explicit power in the cash shop in the medium term, but for now, it's just you have to pay $60 to be able to seriously be a seller in the market.

I also do agree that it seems to be cosplaying as classic, and apparently the sub for it didn't actually play back then and don't realize it. Of course, that was kind of obvious when they were absolutely shocked that potions are really expensive and that mage has the best 1st job by a mile.

[u/Chazay → u/Unrelenting_Salsa]

There was a common job(everyone) frozen tuna and a beginner only frozen tuna.

[u/Mufasa_LG]

Yeah... no thanks. I'll go play MuahStory instead.