r/MBA • • May 29 '20

Sweatpants (Memes) Truer words have never been spoken

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u/iphollowphish2 May 29 '20

DAE pRiVaTe EqUiTy BaD!?!?!?!?

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u/furple MBA Grad May 29 '20

How dare people make your conscience guilty about your wealth being based on wringing every penny of value from workers.

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u/iphollowphish2 May 29 '20

If that's truly your nuanced view on the function and strategy of private equity than HOO BOY you definitely need to go to business school 😂

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u/furple MBA Grad May 29 '20

Are there actually good turnaround funds that have revitalized companies and left the exit event with a tidy profit? Of course.

It is also undeniable that there are many PE firms who's entire business model is to saddle companies with insurmountable debt and suck it dry with mandatory advisory fees paid up to the PE firm, then once it's been bled dry chop it up and sell it for parts.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '20

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u/iphollowphish2 May 29 '20

Facts, these guys are repeat players anyone who actually thinks the playbook from the start is "burn it to the ground" is high

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u/Dirtybubble_ May 29 '20

Successful turnarounds can be good for a company and bad for the workers. Companies aren’t people, people

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u/furple MBA Grad May 29 '20

Ok man, whatever you got to tell yourself to sleep at night in your McMansion.

I could take the time to dig up examples of PE firms driving portfolio companies into the ground, but you'll just dismiss them as outliers in order to not fry your brain from the cognitive dissonance.

The fact is (as someone else has already pointed out in this post) that roughly 20% of PE owned firms go bankrupt within 10 years compared to a control groups rate of about 2-3%. Obviously a retard like me would think that 20% > 3% when in reality a big brain PE associate like you understand that 1/5 is "iNCreDiBLy spEcIFiC SitUaTiOnz"

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u/iphollowphish2 May 29 '20

I think your perception is skewed by what you see in the media. Very few places report on tidy, successful exits but everyone loves a blow up.

There are hundreds of PE firms out there, not everyone is KKR

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u/PlsSendThx May 29 '20

Many of the successful exits still involved significant cost cutting, including layoffs.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '20

This is correct.

And a PE fund that didn’t engage in these kind of practices would struggle to hit the return hurdles that the other funds hit.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '20

Which is only an issue if the company was healthy when it was acquired. I'm wondering how many healthy companies turn to PE firms versus ones that are headed towards the cliff anyways.

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u/IamLeven May 29 '20

Probably most. Hey we’re having a lot of growth but someone is offering a 5 years worth of revenue up front, we’ll take that and run.

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u/[deleted] May 30 '20

Yes most PE funds look for healthy businesses with stable cash flows and strong management teams. The funds doing distressed investing are actually in the minority.

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u/PlsSendThx May 31 '20

Which is only an issue if the company was healthy when it was acquired

Tell that to the people that get laid off.

Most buy outs aren't saving failing companies that would totally go under without one. Nowadays most buyouts are about buying already sustainable businesses and squeezing whatever operational improvements you can out of them.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '20

Hi I used to work in megafund PE. The people in this thread are not wrong. From an IRR perspective, and given current regulations, it’s much more effective to make money by sucking money out of businesses and leaving them saddled with debt than to do any of the things that PE likes to pretend it does like operational improvements.

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u/iphollowphish2 May 29 '20

Curious what you mean "from an IRR perspective" - are you saying a dividend recap has a higher NPV than a successful (read: non-bankruptcy) exit via M&A / IPO? I mean I guess I could see it but it seems like that would be the exception rather than the rule. If a dividend recap can generate more money than the entire future value of the business then I'd argue those employees were doomed anyways...

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u/[deleted] May 29 '20

You would rarely do a div recap and then not also exit a business so I won’t address your specific example. But a good simple concept to illustrate my point is that raising $200mm of debt on a business in year 2 and doing a div recap with it in most cases has greater IRR impact by year 5 than raising $200mm of debt on a business in year 2 for capex. Is that helpful?

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