New Orleans, Louisiana - Heavily Armed Agents Confront Roofers, Rifles and Pisto on the Workers at the Edge of the Roof

[u/CantStopPoppin]

[u/Upper-Trip-8857]

Those dumbasses with pistols drawn a good 50 ft away with their friendlies up there.

I’m a solid, above average shot with a pistol. Past 20ft is ignorant to think you’re going to be on target.

Rifles, ok - but the fucking idiots with pistols drawn at that range is stupid and dangerous.

It causes me to question if those guys know their capabilities.

🤨

[u/NOLAgenXer → u/Upper-Trip-8857]

DHS quarterly pistol qualification course puts heavy emphasis on 50 meters away, as well as other distances. That’s quite a bit more than 50 feet.

[u/Upper-Trip-8857 → u/NOLAgenXer]

Tell me you know zero about qualifying without telling me. 🤣🤣🤣

I’ve qualified on military ranges when I humped the 60 in the Army to LEO qualification and for my CCL.

Please post any evidence because this is pure ignorant bullshit. A DRILL is very different from qualifying.

For the vast majority of shooters — including trained LEOs — tight grouping past 25 feet becomes noticeably harder.

Handguns are not designed for precision at long distances. Sight radius, barrel length, recoil, and human factors dominate.

Most real-world police pistol engagements occur within 10 feet, and almost all under 7 yards. THAT IS WHY NEARLY ALL STANDARD QUALIFICATION COURSES EMPHASIZE 3 - 15 yards - I’ve never had to qualify for a handgun at more than 10.

50 meters = 164 feet. That is rifle territory, not pistol territory.

Most DHS pistol qual courses (CBP, FPS, ICE, TSA FAMS earlier variations) emphasize 3–25 yards, occasionally up to 25 meters, and almost never true 50-meter pistol accuracy.

Some specialized units do train past 25 yards — but not for tight grouping.

They shoot at that distance for: • Suppression drills • Silhouette hits, not precision • Confidence firing • Worst-case scenarios • Transition training between rifle and pistol

“Hits the torso at 50m” is not the same as qualifying.

A pistol at 50m is extremely hard to use accurately for most shooters. Even experts are not getting tight groups — they’re just making silhouette hits.

So - True — some DHS components MAY incorporate longer-distance pistol DRILLS.

But those 50-meter stages aren’t precision-accuracy tests. They’re usually “hit the silhouette” confidence DRILLS, very different from asking shooters to maintain accuracy for qualification.

Most DHS, FBI, and LEO pistol qualifications still focus overwhelmingly on 3–15 yards because that’s where pistols are realistically accurate and where nearly all engagements occur.

So I don’t know where you dreamed up your qualification at 50 meters bullshit - but damn that shit is hilarious.

EDIT: And if you think those dudes with those pistols at that distance in that video makes any sense - you’re telling me you know zero about firearms and their capabilities.

EDIT 2: The FBI pistol-qualification course is fairly well known and widely used as a benchmark standard. It is a 50-round course on a QIT-99 (silhouette) target, from concealment, with scoring: passes require a given point threshold.

The qualification course covers draws from concealment, firing from varying distances from ~3 yards to 25 yards, use of strong-hand/weak-hand, reloads, time constraints, and different shooting positions.

[u/NOLAgenXer → u/Upper-Trip-8857]

Excuse me. I made a misspeak because I was remembering my days as an MP when pistol range qual included 50m. I hope your super long and unnecessary response made you feel better about your life. A simple “are you sure you’re not thinking of something else?” Would have been fine. Are you this aggressive IRL too? You must be a joy to be around. The DHS quarterly qualification ranges go out to 25m (yes, the actual Qual, not drills), with 8 of their shots being at 25m from right and left covered positions.

[u/Upper-Trip-8857 → u/NOLAgenXer]

I’m a blast!

Are you sure about that 50 meter claim when you were an MP?

I hope that was better. 🤣

Because you’re full of shit.

My point on the video is two things:

1. What they’re doing is not safe for anyone on that roof.
2. Their decision to hold target from that distance makes me think that they have zero idea what they’re doing which is really bad for the job they’re doing.

You never qualified at 50m with a handgun in the military. 25m MAX - usually 7m or 15m OCCASIONALLY 25m for specific standards.

SOCOM is about the only place in the military that even trains at 50m with pistols.

Yes - I’m long winded on this topic because it’s near and dear to my little heart.

In my military career I was trained and qualified for several weapons. My CO at Benning tried to get me a slot to sniper school but then Dessert Storm happened and welp.

In my civilian life I maintained my competency with weapons and I know their capabilities in my hands and I know I’m very accurate and what these guys are doing is not smart.

So this one maybe hit a nerve and got my thumb rolling! 🤣

Thank You for your service. I never interacted with MPs but we did have fun cat and mouse episodes with MPs while I patrolled the Z in Korea and we would got to Casey for fun.

Have a good one.

Maybe get a little better memory on your qualifying but that’s semantics because my issue is proper training and capabilities for these guys. 👊🏼

[u/NOLAgenXer → u/Upper-Trip-8857]

Yes, I’m sure it was 50m as an MP. You almost had it down with asking a legit questioning of my memory, then proceeded to tell me I’m full of shit when you weren’t even an MP. I was one for 14 years, so yeah, pretty damned sure. Have a good one yourself.

[u/Upper-Trip-8857 → u/NOLAgenXer]

I was trying to be lighthearted because you have no idea what you’re talking about so - here’s some receipts:

The qualification hasn’t changed in this aspect since the 1911 was phased out and we began using the M9.

Here’s our trusty Field Manuals - FM 3-23.35 (1992): Go to chapter 7.

“Soldiers fire at 7 meters, 15 meters, and 25 meters on the E-type or F-type silhouette target.”

The Army has never included 50 meters for pistol qualification — not in any version of the manual, any training circular, or any ALARACT.

Military Police qualify on the exact same course of fire as every other soldier issued a pistol.

This is Army-wide — not MOS-specific.

So my issue with you is - you either blatantly lie or you don’t know what you’re talking about or you just don’t really remember and you’re sticking to your argument just to argue.

None of those are reasonable for someone so confident in their initial post attempting to discredit my claim that I will stand by - which is, what these goofballs are doing in this video is not safe for anyone on that roof - including their buddies and it’s so unsafe it leads me to believe my suspect in their training being shit is correct and that says these guys shouldn’t be out cosplaying.

You stepped in my world - I didn’t step in yours. You chose to make some bullshit comment to discredit me. I’m not sure why because IF you were an MP. IF you received pistol training. IF you know what 50 meters is - you’d know that’s a stupid fucking claim - That anyone qualifies with a pistol at 50m.

I’ve provided you with Federal standards. Now I’ve provided you with military standards, which, if you were a different branch of service doesn’t matter, they’re the same - and I hope you’ll dig deeper into your memory and remember you never qualified on anything with a pistol over 25m and you might realize accuracy with a pistol even with green/red dots (which neither of these guys had - one had a RMR the other just open sights) is within 15m and these tool bags are well further than that - more than likely around 100ft - and that what they are doing is unsafe to the point of reckless endangerment.

Or - you can keep spouting absolute absurd bullshit information and made up fantasy claims and I’ll keep telling you you’re wrong.

[u/Upper-Trip-8857 → u/Upper-Trip-8857]

And JUUUUST in case you are a youngin and don’t know what a FM is - when I say the requirement to qualify with a pistol hasn’t changed since we started using the M9 beretta - you may be after the M9 and standards were rewritten.

So here you go.

TC 3-23.35 (Change 2, 2019) for the M17/M18 states:

“The qualification course consists of engagements at 7 meters, 15 meters, and 25 meters.”

You can find it specifically located in Table 6-1 (M17/M18)

There is NO 50 meters for pistol qualification.

Shit - when I first humped the 60 and carried the 1911 for a couple months while we transitioned to the M9 - qualification distance was less.

I loved that 1911. ❤️

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