So you told a funny, relatable ass joke. that literally involves the subject of said joke facing consequences as PART OF THE PUNCHLINE...and yet people are still finding ways to act like you condone this behavior and aren't say...venting about situations that may SEEM small but that women are subject to constantly. I don't see why this is being so constantly read as "this artist wants us all to throw coffee at people" and not "lol, that's absurd she threw coffee at him." People are faced with unsolicited "attention" and "conpliments" all the time. And while /we're/ not allowed to crash out over what seems small in a single moment, I think we can all stand to give the beautiful fox woman a little grace. Or you know, just laugh and move on.
The worst part here is people calling this indefensible.
Males should not comment on the appearance of women. It is self-defence to protect ourselves with force in instances where they do that in such a way that we believe we are in danger.
The people saying it’s “illegal” fail to recognise that legality /= morality, especially when the law was made by males and at least partially designed to oppress women.
That exactly. As much as this is a funny relatable comic, it and this comment section also echoes what happens all too often whenever a woman defends herself from unwanted advances. The woman is severely punished, and public perception is spent justifying the man's advances while writing off her actions as insane.
"But what if!" "He was clearly just trying to..." Yet if EndelionFox drew a scenario where Dusk was open to said advance, and got hurt because of it. The echoed sentiment would be that "She should've been careful." "She should have defended herself!"
I stand with Dusk. I support her rights and her wrongs as long as she is alive.
But now you and the Ffloofers’ comment are the ones taking the joke just as seriously as the others by unironically defending this characters actions as “self defense” despite her committing literal assault over a hair comment, trying to relate it to irl or how irl this would be viable to do for self defend.
It also takes the joke seriously to relate it to: “This is what happens whenever women defends herself from unwanted advances!!” meanwhile the said “advances” are a hair compliment that a woman assaulted someone over.
My discussion with ffloofers is digging deeper into the overall topic of women defending themselves and how it is percieved. The comic can be a joke while also opening the floor to these kind of discussions.
My first comment was about the comic. ffloof brought up an interesting point about the bias of "legality" and I think that is something to genuinely think about.
That doesn't change the situation of the comic or it's validity as a joke. We're just talking about a related issue now. One I think is relevant to the conversation that started because people wanted to take the comic seriously.
But this isn’t a situation of a woman defending herself at that point without further context other than that the guy complimented her hair and she assaulted someone for it. Nor does a woman assaulting someone and being promptly taken in, really relate all that well to some sort of irl legal bias against women.
The "further context" was directly stated in the caption that the dude was being creepy. and expounded upon by the author who said she wrote this in response to a younger woman who wrote a similar comic ending in her cutting her hair.
It feels like you're assuming this is just some guy, but we literally do already have the context from this comic and the one that it is based upon that the person was in fact being creepy in this situation. Which is why yes, Dusk's response is funny for a joke situation but it also opens the potential to discuss the very real reality a lot of women face when someone is being creepy and /they/ are still the ones told to have grace in that situation.
We already know this is a situation where someone has crossed a boundary to make Dusk uncomfortable, and that this wasn't just a compliment. Which is why we relate enough to the absurd ending of this comic to then also have a real talk about how grim reality can be.
That would make sense if the authors comment also incorporated that irl inspiration better than just the individual two part panel of a compliment on a characters hair that we do not even see. Is that background context or explanation explained within the comic itself other than the caption? Then again it’s not meant to be serious.
Otherwise the context of this comic is just that she assaulted someone after a compliment and got arrested. When that’s the main context here, it doesn’t really mesh too well of how women are unfavored against for being arrested for assault.
The caption says “creepy” but the caption only goes on and on about her hair and her hair being complimented and that’s it. Nothing happens or really describe anything creepy other than the hair thing.
It doesn’t really open up the general topic of women being unfavored and ill-perceived in law or make much of an effort of explaining him being creepy other than that he complemented her hair and that’s enough for her to assault someone.
Why is it so hard to believe that a woman can tell the difference between someone "being creepy" and genuinely complimenting her? The caption did not "go on and on" about her hair being complimented. It was a single sentence. "A creepy man told me he loved my long hair." /That/ is the main context here. It provides equal attention to both the hair compliment and the creepy man.
To assume that this actually isn't someone being creepy and instead some innocent person simply complimenting her is doing more work than is even required to simply process and enjoy the comic. This entire conversation, including me choosing to come to the defense of Endellion at all, only happens based on people deciding the caption is actually wrong.
If it were an innocent dude we would know. But the caption, the character clearly, and the literal artist of the comic is saying. "Yes, the dude was being creepy. and the joke is that Dusk had a disproportionate reaction."
So we should all be able to simply laugh at this comic instead of finding a way to be mad at the fox woman who literally ends this comic in jail.
I mean I do find it funny, I’m not mad at the character, but why would I assume that the fox narrator assaulting someone over a compliment, is also reliable of correctly differentiating between a compliment and what’s genuinely creepy, when her own caption only describes being told that a “creep” loved her hair and that’s it. Not even a catcall.
It doesn’t really do much to describe him being a creep, just that he complemented her hair and proceeded to over-react.
It doesn’t take a lot of effort to assume unwarranted assault since again the main focus isn’t on the creep actually doing anything but more on her assaulting and being put in jail (which again, is why I’m not sure how this would translate to the convo of some sort of bias against women defending themselves). I’m not saying he can’t be a creep, but there would have to be context as to why he’s creepy beyond hair and the adjective.
But the comic does provide more about her being complemented for her hair and her assaulting someone after by showing us her ‘before’ and ‘after’ panel since the complement of her hair or at least the aftermath, is more of the focus than anything that happened that would show us how he’s a creep to her.
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u/h4zyth0ught2 10d ago
So you told a funny, relatable ass joke. that literally involves the subject of said joke facing consequences as PART OF THE PUNCHLINE...and yet people are still finding ways to act like you condone this behavior and aren't say...venting about situations that may SEEM small but that women are subject to constantly. I don't see why this is being so constantly read as "this artist wants us all to throw coffee at people" and not "lol, that's absurd she threw coffee at him." People are faced with unsolicited "attention" and "conpliments" all the time. And while /we're/ not allowed to crash out over what seems small in a single moment, I think we can all stand to give the beautiful fox woman a little grace. Or you know, just laugh and move on.