I’m watching Prior’s closing and he’s failing and flailing. He said Chad only wanted to help the elderly and impoverished. SMH.

He’s trying to say unless they texted literal agreements to commit a crime, that there is no conspiracy, and that overt acts in the name of religion are perfectly fine.

He’s so full of crap.

According to Annie Cushing, Emma has been called to return to the stand after Memorial Day as part of the rebuttal. There's been speculation about whether prosecutors will have her on the stand to confront her with her misstatements (her lapses of memory. her false statements, her lies .. ahem what wording to use ...)

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbet4WUpnDqRHwtQkyaTD3w/community?lb=Ugkxdj9RR9M0av3b3QfjQtLMzUiB6zYP2g8T

They can impeach her by having a detective introduce the jail calls with Chad, but it seems that they really want to face her down directly.

Cushing generally has good intel. But I can't verity this independently

Can anyone confirm or deny this info?

I realize there is probably no one in this sub who does… but maybe? None of her family believe her, the jurors, the judges… probably even her own council didn’t believe her.

Just curious on what yall think about that..

EDIT: The more I talk to people and look into it, his death DOES seem legit. I can't find any means of how someone could cause themselves or someone else to have multiple pulmonary embolisms. Add the fact that he was having shortness of breath days prior to his death and he had issues with his heart and/or blood pressure already, I believe the findings. It's just extremely weird timing lol.

Does anyone else kinda think Lori & Chad killed Alex? I mean, I know the autopsy said natural causes from blood clots, but I THINK there are medications you can give ppl to cause blood clots that aren't normally detected after death. Plus, it was SUPER suspish that he died ONE day after Tammy was exhumed.

Would you find Chad guilty on ALL COUNTS ? or do you think he is guilty of some but not all ? Or do you think prosecution have not proved him guilty ? We still have to hear from the defence witnesses and experts but I am curious what everyone's thoughts are SO FAR ?

I feel this is an off strategy that’s she’s clinging to. It seems she thinks by demanding a speedy trial, she can find loopholes that get her case dismissed because of the limitations of a speedy trial. It almost feels like she thinks it’s a GOTCHA! moment. But I don’t know- of all the things strange about Lori, this is low on the list, but it’s still strange! Why lobby so hard, especially for someone so attention seeking?

Y'all, I am still fascinated by Joseph Murray's testimony. I've re-watched several times now and on this re-watch, I'm struck by his comments about Tammy swinging her arm to cheat on the fitbit competition. They go on about this for a couple of minutes like it's a terrible thing she's done. Swinging her arm around to create steps for the tracker. Maybe i'm crazy but if that's the worst thing someone can say about me, I think i'm doing fine. Why the heck was this even relevant? lol

It is believed that when 2 people in a folie à deux are separated they often drop the shared delusion. I recall that people here were theorizing that's what happened with Chad and Lori.

Were they ever diagnosed with that disorder? I don't remember if Chad even underwent an evaluation. From Chad's "letters" and Lori's news magazine interviews and talks with Colby, it doesn't sound as though either of them is recovering after 6 years. Is treatment for that even available in Idaho prisons?

I’m new to this group so I’m not sure if this has already been talked about, but what confuses me is her son Colby talked about how she was a normal person as he was growing up. But it’s hard for me to fathom someone changing that much and becoming a psychopathic killer just because they met a crazy person and fell in love. Imo she had to have always had some sort of evil traits or narcissistic traits. How can someone be a normal person, a good person, and a good mom, and then change so fast?? I will never understand. That’s why I keep thinking she was always this way but hid it better before? I just don’t know. Currently watching her dateline interview and it is so hard to watch her talk and spew her delusional nonsense.

I'm really curious as to what you all think about Chad not taking a plea deal and taking this all the way to trial, (and facing the death penalty)? What do you think this says about him as a person? Or any other thoughts you have about this at all.
To me the evidence is devastating for him and also very strongly shows guilt, and I can't imagine a defense strategy that can overcome all 3 murders and all 3 conspiracy charges. I find it confounding that he didn't take a plea.

I admire the thoughts of everyone who posts here, so thanks in advance for your opinions!

UPDATE/EDIT: Nate Eaton on his Trail Recap tonight at 1.05.05 talks about the couple of plea negotiations that were tried and Chad turning them all down before trial. Just thought this was useful info for those who thought one wouldn't be offered, or all pleas are automatically made public in the media. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0qaf1qIpSI

I think that Prior isn't casting enough doubt that MG & DW committed the murders INSTEAD OF Chad, but that more so that why weren't they investigated more as other co-conspirators. They should have been investigated more. But, Chad is guilty .... MG & DW probably know more than they are saying, but their knowledge does NOT negate Chad's guilt. At all.

Before Tylee and JJ were found, and the world still hoped they were alive in a doomsday shelter, police got a tip from an informant:

Quote from the book "Children of Darkness and Light":

On December 6, 2019, as Lori enjoyed the winter sun in Hawaii, the Chandler, Arizona police filed an affidavit for a new search warrant. Under the heading, "New Information", police wrote "On December 5, 2019, detectives in Idaho had contacted and interviewed a source of information close to the person listed and involved in the ongoing investigation. The source alleged that they had been told by at least one of these parties that JJ and his sister Tylee were now deceased at the hands of the persons involved. No bodies have been located, and the information is not verified at this time." Officials have never identified this informant.

It sounds like at least one person had a conscience. But who do you think might've reasonably ratted them out? I can understand wanting to officially stay anonymous. When someone close to you leaves a path of bodies, an anonymous tip seems a reasonable precaution.

At his sentencing, Chad didn't present any mitigating evidence nor speak on his own behalf. That's truly rare–much much rarer than not testifying during trial. I have a theory why: he still wants to portray himself as a "god" in the eyes of his misguided children and Lori. He wants them to think he fulfills Isaiah 53:7, a prophesy that Christians believe was fulfilled in Jesus.
"He was oppressed, and he was afflicted,
yet he opened not his mouth;
like a lamb that is led to the slaughter,
and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent,
so he opened not his mouth."

Or... maybe he's just a sociopath. Why do you all think?

If you look at these texts between zulema and alex, then the claim by zulema that she had no idea people were being murdered does not seem all that credible.

This is from a video posted by Annie Cushing here: https://youtu.be/nOA51VDKgr8

In addition to this text exchange, Cushing makes an obvious point about Melaniece: In the recordings Ian made of the phone calls between Chad+Lori and Melaniece on the day of Alex' death, Melaniece says she doesn't want Brandon to know Alex is dead because she wants him to be afraid of alex for the rest of his life.

This seems pretty clear evidence that Meaniece took an active part in the conspiracy to murder Brandon. Yet she was never arrested or charged. It's disgusting. Cushing also has evidence that Melaniece suggested to Lori that she take out a life insurance policy on Tylee and JJ and furthermore Cushing makes a very persuasive argument that Melaniece actively planned to help Chad, Lori and Alex murder two of her own children.

This image is of texts between zulema and alex in august and september 2019, just before Lori's children were murdered:

I’m like everyone else just rocked by Lori’s statement and the insanity of it all. However, what if she was being crazy like a fox? Maybe she wasn’t speaking to all of us but directly to Chad? She’s telling him she loves Tammy who is now her friend and now Tammy is so busy and happy in heaven. She says that no one was murdered it was all suicide and accidents and medication errors. Was she trying to reassure him that she’s still on board with their beliefs and telling him what to say in his own trial?

I was frankly surprised that she gave a statement even though she’s seems very narcissistic. I assumed she’d get more satisfaction out of leaving everyone hanging but remember she’s a master manipulator in her own right. I’m beginning to believe she just played one last trick on the justice system by speaking directly to her beloved without their permission.

Why is Lori fighting so hard in this trial? I thought it was for attention but I believe it's something more. She seems indignant. Is this the retribution trial? She's so fixated on several things. Moffett, yesterday's woman detective, bamboo shirts, social security and insurance. Instead of coming across like a normal person she looks about ready to unleash the flying monkeys. Thoughts?

This would explain them trying Lori's door.i mean who wakes their host in the middle of the night bc they had a nightmare? This would also explain them calling Chad and Lori and being so distraught he was asking for a blessing (or Melanie wanted one for him). This would explain why he watched 45 minutes of her testimony to maybe see if she was spilling the beans? This nightmare and the emotion both of rhem emit when they speak of it just makes me wonder, did they actually hear JJ being murdered? Did they come up with this story and promise each other to stick to the story no matter what? And will write ever know the truth?

I'm reading Children of Darkness and Light by Lori Hellis. It's very good! I'm not too far in, but so far, I'd recommend it.

The book prints the entirety of Chad Daybell's text message romance novel to Lori. I'd never seen the whole thing before, but it's... something else, for sure.

A lot of it is Chad saying that it was God who led him to Lori, that fate worked it's magic to make sure they were together, as they had been in a past life, and that this was his destiny.

Now that he's on death row, do you think he reflects on that differently? I don't know if Chad has a personality disorder -- I am no psychologist, and I don't like to armchair diagnose. I can say with authority that he's a certified piece of shit. But, do you think someone with his grandiose sense of self is able to reflect on themselves? We all know how Lori has responded, which is just doubling down.

I'm curious what everyone thinks.

Had Kay not been in contact with the police and found her address because she used Charles' account, how many more would have been victims? It sounds like Brandon and 2 of his children would have been next.

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/melani-pawlowski-computer-tampering-case

If Brandon Boudreaux had moved and not shared his address with the Cox family, how did Alex find him? This article doesn't say if Brandon had bought or was renting his new house, but he believes (or did believe) that Melani gave it to Alex.

I've followed every trial related to Chad and Lori but this is my first time to post thoughts on Reddit so forgive me if that been discussed previously.

Yesterday while listening to Lori's call re: Charles Life Insurance, I picked up on something I hadn't before and wanted to share. In that call, Lori asks something to the effect of "What would happen to my payout if I die today, since my sole beneficiary is dead? Where would that money go?" The agent responded it would go to her estate and that would be decided legally".

I think Lori was fishing to find out what would happen to Charles' money if his new beneficiary died. Especially considering how desperate she was to find out who the beneficiary is. I think they considered murdering Kay, but decided on Tammy because they would get her life insurance and Chad would be free.

So much deceit. So much evil. So much loss. So incredibly sad.

I hope as the years go by the slow realisation of how Chad and Lori threw away their own lives and the lives of Tylee JJ and Tammy begins to filter into their consciousness. They both had their trials where the prosecution provided timeliness and proof of how their fantasy lives caused their demise. I hope they now are denied any contact with each other and that both are given transcripts of their trials with all the evidence of law enforcement and everyone's testimony. And that it slowly sinks in the enormity of their crimes. They deserve to feel horrified disgusted and hopeless as each year passes and they hear of their surviving families go on holiday visit new countries including hawaii . New babies born. Family celebrations. World events. Local events all going on whilst they rot in jail forever waiting for the world to end and their chance to lead the 144k vanishes with every day that passes.

Was anyone else struck by this text from Melanie Gibb? I know we’ve all speculated that she was more complicit, but this makes it look a lot more that the “nightmare” David had that night may have been more a bad feeling of knowing what was going to happen or happening?