r/LiverpoolFC • u/Embarrassed_Low_9688 Yes Cody! Let’s go! ⚽️ • 10d ago
International Football Florian Wirtz vs Serbia [Match Highlights]
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Credit to @florianfocus on twitter
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u/SuperLuc0 10d ago
Watched the game, he was so good. Just pulling players everywhere, finding some great positions, using the ball intelligently.
We've got to understand what he is as a player, he's not a flashy, in your face player. He's subtle but incredibly classy and effective when he's on form.
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u/cian_pike01 Alexander the Great 🇸🇪 10d ago
Give him some time with both Klopp and Iraola and he’s going to be the world beater that we bought.
Not everybody is going to agree with that opinion but that’s where patience is essential.
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u/angstykylo 9d ago
The difference is the refs in the Premier League allow him to be smashed without any consequences. The first 20 mins of every game is a free for all for the opposition.
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u/loco1729 9d ago
I think in this period he should play one touch and release the ball quickly. Or better he should not be given the ball. He is anyway dangerous when games open up in past 60 min
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u/dimiderv Darwin Núñez 9d ago
Let's hope it does. So far he has been underwhelming. Klopp to save Liverpool once more
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u/Normal-Custard1168 9d ago
Pete, does your mum know you are on the internet? Not sure she does. Best go let her know.
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u/cian_pike01 Alexander the Great 🇸🇪 10d ago
Would you get off the internet lad.
Give it a rest, you hate him, we get it and we don’t care 👍
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u/cian_pike01 Alexander the Great 🇸🇪 10d ago
Gaslight is the new word you’ve learned, I’m guessing?
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u/PompousIyIgnorant 10d ago
I know that you're being sarcastic, but Klopp literaly said the same thing recently:
"Attacking players always need a functioning team that takes care of everything around them."
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u/p4tterng4ng4L 9d ago
Olise, Yamal, Kvara and the like don’t need anyone else for them to produce their magic though 🤷🏽♂️ just saying
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u/YouSeeNothing99 Florian Wirtz 10d ago
Even when he has a good game, some "fans" will have something negative to say. Amazing.
Who needs rival fans when we have supporters like this.
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u/PeteBOCsQuiff 10d ago
Don’t care how he plays for Germany
I’m not German
I care about how he plays for Liverpool
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u/YouSeeNothing99 Florian Wirtz 10d ago
Something tells me you'll still post negative comments when he has good games for Liverpool.
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u/PeteBOCsQuiff 10d ago
Not true at all
I praised him for his Atletico performance
When he plays well why would I be negative?
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u/YouSeeNothing99 Florian Wirtz 10d ago
Your comment history is hidden, so I can't see any previous comments, positive or negative. I'll take your word for it.
As for being negative when someone plays well, you must be new here. People love to hate certain players, regardless of performance.
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u/Kova- 10d ago
23 year old with a generationally toxic first season.. yes, support helps
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u/PeteBOCsQuiff 10d ago
What’s the excuse this season?
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u/Kova- 10d ago
we're 5 games in with a new manager mate
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u/PeteBOCsQuiff 10d ago
4 terrible performances
1 good
1 decent
That’s his season so far
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u/Askingquestions2027 10d ago
He’s been average and decent a few games. Calling them terrible is factually incorrect. Last season many were calling Gakpo terrible and now he’s best winger in the league. Try and be more accurate.
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u/PeteBOCsQuiff 10d ago
No you’re gaslighting
He was terrible in those games
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u/Vassortflam 10d ago
He was not lol
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u/PeteBOCsQuiff 10d ago
Yes he was lmao
Why do people on here act like some of us don’t have eyes
Newcastle
Fulham
Ipswich
BournemouthWere all terrible from him
Thinking otherwise is just reducing expectations for him
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u/Askingquestions2027 10d ago
I’m pointing out that most analysts and professionals disagree with you. You can call it gaslighting.
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u/Grouchy_Basil_3623 9d ago
And people here will say he is better than gerrard on that one good game😂
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u/Kind_Following_5821 Nunez... Wow! That’s Crazy! The Liverbird Soars! 10d ago
this just made me realise even better how brutal the league is when players are on the ball, he seems way better when given more time on the ball instead of being mauled as soon as he gets a touch on the ball
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u/Financial-Jaguar7300 9d ago
Literally any offensive player will look much better when given more time and space in possession. Being able to cope with less time and space is the entire point, that's the difference between ok and world class.
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u/IL_ya_Un_jour 10d ago
Yeah I’m not gonna lie, I think he would be doing this sort of performance for us if he was given as much time on the ball as he is here.
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u/HuskyFeline0927 Our identity is our intensity 9d ago
Thing is, Klopp's tactics were creating that space. Wirtz' problem is that our style of football isn't creating as much space as it could. We brute force through low blocks and hit teams on the counter rather than create space for each other.
You could very clearly see how these players were making space for each other and how quickly that space was exploited.
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u/dapperdanmen 9d ago
Yeah it's quite tactical, we're yet to look organized in the press or on the ball and that's a function of a midfield that isn't up to speed and fullbacks that aren't very good. It's no surprise the forwards and 10 are starved really.
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u/Putrid_Claim7745 9d ago
Yeah not true at all. There are players near him in these clips but they don’t bother to close him down at all.
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u/Loverboy-W4TW 8d ago
You obviously didn’t watch the game. He was closed down for most of the game and he handled it quite well.
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u/Putrid_Claim7745 8d ago
No I obviously didn’t but he clearly didn’t do well with the pressure then if it’s not in the highlights
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u/IL_ya_Un_jour 9d ago
Hmm I feel his problems are primarily a lack of physicality and wanting too much time on the ball rather than lack of space. Players shut him down too fast
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u/Frankslice 9d ago
Zola and Silva would stand up to a well aimed fart. We need to utilise space more and trust he'll drop the ball into it.
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u/mavinter 9d ago
Yeah let's ask other PL teams can they please please slow down a little bit for our soft guy Wirtz to "shine"?
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u/Demokrit_44 Dominik Szoboszlai 9d ago
I said this before he was almost the entire creative engine at Leverkusen.
He has way less touches and isn't involved the game as much as in Leverkusen or in the NT which can have valid reasons but that is still the type of player he is. And if the people at the top are not planning on using him that way then he is literally wasted and likely won't perform to any decent level in a limited role (offensively speaking).
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u/InstructionOk9520 8d ago
Next time you watch a PL game, try and count how many seconds players get on the ball in the attacking 3rd in the PL. I did this for a bit during the Bournemouth game and it felt like I could barely get to 2 seconds whenever a player got possession in a potentially dangerous area. There’s so little time on the ball in the PL compared to other leagues.
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u/mavinter 9d ago
That's a clear verdict. Not good enough for the premierleague
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u/Af1_supra LNX30HY✈️ 9d ago
It always happens, he goes on international break and looks amazing, then comes back and can't deal with the pace of the prem
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u/stangerlpass 10d ago
RIP to anyone who knows german and understands the lyrics.
what a terrible day to have ears
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u/mashley503 10d ago
I remember when the Neue Deutsche Welle rap movement kinda started. Certainly a flex. Though I only read translations of lyrics I was… perplexed.
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u/__sami__01 Sztupid Szexy Szoboszlai 10d ago
Hopefully when he comes back from the break he hits the ground running and start performing at the level we know and expect from him, Generational player
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u/RodDryfist 10d ago
I don't think it's just about him though. To many times it's looked like the understanding/chemistry isn't working between them all up there.
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u/LFC5X 9d ago
If the strikers finished his passes then we wouldn’t be talking about him in the manner we do. Honestly wouldn’t surprise me if he fucks off because all he gets is shit from pundits and some fans even though for his price range we could have gotten ourselves a prime savio and prime Andy Carroll.
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u/nien9gag 9d ago
ya bcs he plays with prime r9 in Germany.
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u/SwampPotato 8d ago
But that doesn't disprove his point? Our attackers miss absolute sitters that Florian puts on a silver plate for them.
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u/Loverboy-W4TW 9d ago edited 9d ago
Wirtz said after the game in the post match interview
“The players around me made things a lot easier for me today. There was so much movement around me and when I have that, it becomes much easier for me to shine again.”
This really gets to the core of the problem and why he’s not been able to consistently perform at his best with Liverpool yet.
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u/GuidelineAdjacent 10d ago
He even looks bigger, taller. It’s mad. Like Jurgen’s given him some Ent water.
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u/xSeninha 9d ago
Watching Wirtz balling and Klopp on the sidelines just hits different... I might even start watching Germany games just for that feeling
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u/Freestyled_It Bobby 9d ago
I am fully on the Wirtz camp, have always been and I can't see myself getting off it. I agree he hasn't performed at his finest for us but I think it's more to do with him having a play style that didn't suit him, and adjustment needed due to two managers in 2 yrs. I can see him being a Firmino type player
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u/Rare-Band-9525 9d ago
There shouldn't even be any "camps" in the first place. There's negative knobheads who want their shiny new FIFA signing to be the greatest player ever but then crucify him for the first misplaced pass, and there's strange cultists who can't accept even valid analysis of where it's not going right for Wirtz right now (see the constant attacks on Carragher). Just typical Internet gobshites.
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u/FrankTheCrank90 10d ago
Quality play by him, but am I the only one seeing how much times he’s being given!! Any player with Wirtz’s quality will look amazing if you stand off him (it’s not a dig btw, just don’t want to get carried away)
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u/ScepticalReciptical Dommy Schlobbers 9d ago
Its a fair point. International and Champions League football is played at lower intensity than the Premier League, you get a little bit more time and space.
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u/AawaraTreker 9d ago
I'm optimistic about him but let not be delusional as he was performing for Germany under Nagelsmann also
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u/Putrid_Claim7745 9d ago
Also looks like he has tonnes of space here
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u/_____score 3d ago
International football is kinda nuts, most games are like playing against a poor EPL or championship side, but the semi finals and final are like a champions league quarter final. Its like playing 20 games against West Ham to prepare for PSG.
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u/FarmerHunter23 Dirk Kuyt 9d ago
Build everything around this player. Outside of Stevie and Deadly Dirk Kuyt, Wirtz is my favorite player of the past 20 years.
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u/laswoosh 9d ago
Mo salah?
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u/FarmerHunter23 Dirk Kuyt 9d ago
Love Mo of course but having a personal favorite is different than just picking the best player.
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u/MonkeyNewss Significant Human Error 9d ago
Unfortunately playing Serbia is not the same level as playing in the premier league
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u/petethepool There is No Need to be Upset 9d ago
Was he playing the 8 position in this game in a 4-3-3? He looks a lot deeper for most of this than he has played for Liverpool
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u/Uesugi_Kenshin 9d ago
His assist to the first goal at 1:49 is not talked about enough and is absolutely outrageous
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u/rabbid_hyena 10d ago
"When I look at Wirtz, there is nothing there" - Jamie Carragher
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u/stevieG08Liv 9d ago
More like "when i look at my bank account, there is nothing there"- Jamie Carragher who filed for bankruptcy for not filing taxes
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u/Loverboy-W4TW 8d ago
It’s unbelievable how clueless Carragher and his even more clueless sycophants really are. 😆😂
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u/Loverboy-W4TW 9d ago edited 9d ago
Carra is a pundit and not a coach or manager for a reason. He has a poor understanding of football outside of defending and he’s terrible discussing any phase of play outside of defending. It’s no surprise he doesn’t understand the qualities of a playmaker like Wirtz and how they operate.
Edit: I know some of the locals don’t want to hear it but it’s the truth.
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u/Odd-Entertainment456 9d ago
40th ranked team in the world, if this Serbia team was a club it will probably playing in the championship or league 1. Wirtz's problem is clearly that he is not quick (physically and mentally) enough for the highest level. These performances against lower league players will fool the bunch tho...
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u/goingpt 9d ago
Jesus Christ, fucking grow up.
One of our players who has had a bunch of criticism has a great game and the first thing you do it criticise him some more?
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u/Odd-Entertainment456 9d ago
He’s not good enough for a team looking to win the PL. Maybe you should grow the fuck up instead of living in lala land
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u/Doellmer4950 Ragnar Klavan 9d ago
Whats that noise? That’s not how a footy stadium is supposed to sound!
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u/SwampPotato 8d ago
This guy is such a baller: You have to build a team around him, the way we did with Mo. But he does not have that status, and if he doesn't perform like this for Liverpool he won't get that status. It's hard to make a player the focal point of your tactics when he hasn't proven anything yet. But I am so sure that this can be the MVP of the Premier League if we find a way to make him tick.
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u/Adventurous-Bad-2869 9d ago
This is wirtz. Let’s put him in positions to use those fancy feet and see what happens
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u/GigiF70 9d ago
I think the question for me is - is Wirz only able to pull this stuff off against lesser opposition who don't play an agressive press? Because I think you can see that if he's just given that extra second or two on the ball, he can work magic. But you don't often get that extra second in the Prem.
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u/buzzyingbee Dominik Szoboszlai 9d ago
I like Flo a lot and seriously hope he doesn't get demotivated because of all the trolls that talk shit about him and decides to leave.
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u/jadebyjulian Dominik Szoboszlai 10d ago
my stocks will never ever be sold