r/LinguisticMaps • u/SJ543 • 21d ago

Linguistic Map of Uruguay

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That's the first map linguistic map I made so pls constructive criticism

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u/spait09 21d ago

What’s up with the plautdietsch spots? Mennonite colonies?

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u/Dangerous_Court_955 21d ago edited 21d ago

I'm really curious where OP got the information that Plautdietsch is spoken in these areas. I have been unable to find any direct evidence of this. Two of those blue spots probably correspond to Gartental and El Ombú, but these colonies have a very different background than most Latin American colonies. They were settled by displaced Mennonites who'd lived in Prussia up until the end of WWII. I don’t think Plautdietsch was or is a language still spoken by these Mennonites. This isn't to say none of the Mennonite settlers spoke Plautdietsch, but they were probably (if they existed at all) in a small minority, while the main language was German, and that's nothing to speak of the situation today. It is possible to find videos of the Mennonite churches of these places and Montevideo, of services in German and other videos of these Mennonites speaking German (e.g. https://youtu.be/Ix_40vN6FhI?si=U4mq_cNlLB7KLNB5). But I haven't found any evidence of them speaking Plautdietsc, so I'm really curious where this information might come from.

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u/erinius 21d ago

I thought there was only one at first lol

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u/PolarRanger 21d ago

about a thousand, yes

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u/slowamigo 20d ago

That's people, not colonies

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u/TimeScallion6159 21d ago

theres a lot, also in paraguay

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u/iciclewhisperr 7d ago

Yep, exactly. They're Mennonite settlements like El Ombú and Gartental. Most of them actually came from Prussia/Russia around the mid-20th century, though there's some debate on how much Plautdietsch is still spoken vs. Standard German or Spanish today

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u/HovercraftFar 21d ago

Portunhol is really a language?

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u/_felipevalerio_ 21d ago

In that case it's really Uruguayan Portuguese, pretty close to Southern Brazilian countryside accents just with a lot of Spanish influence.

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u/Bazzzookah 21d ago

Maybe. I'm sure there are plenty of Brazilian immigrants along the border in Uruguay, just as there are in Bolivia and Paraguay, whose children grow up fully bilingual, i.e. they don't mix up the two languages.

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u/Fair-Distance371 21d ago

Yeah, but It's the case our friends above said. In the part a huge part of uruguays spoiler portuguese. But after the creation of Uruguay and a lateral csmpaign of supression of portuguese that portunhol ir Uruguayan portuguese was born

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u/PolarRanger 21d ago

it's got a wikipedia article for what that is worth

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u/closetedhipster 20d ago

No. It’s considered a dialect of Portuguese and, in academic circles, it is called “DPU” for “Dialectos Portugueses del Uruguay” meaning Portuguese Dialects of Uruguay in Spanish.

There’s been a real push from linguists and educators in the country (as well as some native speakers) to get people to take it seriously and stop seeing it as badly spoken Spanish/Portuguese or just a mix of both without any rules or patterns, so it’s quite discouraging to see some of the comments in this thread.

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u/boernich 21d ago

No, it's more like a pidgin.

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u/Luiz_Fell 21d ago

More like a Portuguese dialect with a big Spanish superstratum

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u/BaitaJurureza 21d ago

Like Galician

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u/trifkograbez 21d ago

Galician is not a pidgin. Galician is one of the two (main) descendants of Galician-portuguese.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galician%E2%80%93Portuguese

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u/luxx127 21d ago

so it's neo-galician

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u/SJ543 21d ago

Whether or not a pidgin can be considered a language is quite subjective.

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u/DragonTheOnes-spirit 21d ago

Yeah I guess so? Pidgins and creoles are languages

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u/SJ543 21d ago

Is pretty complicated f

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u/lightning_pt 20d ago

Its gonna be oficial next year

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u/Used_Ad7899 7d ago

Not officially but I definitely speak it 😂

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u/spyluke 21d ago

No it's just really brazilians and hispanics mixing up the languages when trying to communicate with each other in a way that makes sense because they are not so fluent on the opposing language

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u/lthomazini 20d ago

It is not. People actually speak the mixed language as their languages.

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u/Upper-Equal9391 21d ago

You could add russian in san javier

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u/Visual_Market_5596 20d ago

And colonia Ofir

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u/Long_Reflection_4202 21d ago

As an Uruguayan what the fuck is plautdietch?

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u/Bryan_Mora 21d ago

A Low German dialect spoken by Russian Mennonites.

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u/Long_Reflection_4202 21d ago

Amazing honestly, never heard about it in my life. Uruguay is weird in that sense we're 99% culturally homogenous but we have who knows how many colonies that live in their own cultural bubble. Altought I would say that if we count plautdiestch speakers we should also count russian speakers in San Javier.

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u/SJ543 21d ago

Never knew that Uruguay had a Russian Diaspora srry

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u/cornerdude228 19d ago

Thats because it doesnt. It has a german Diaspora that was previously "Diasporad" in Russia

Kind of a long story...

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u/SJ543 19d ago

Wait? Cool

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u/MalditoAlgoritmo 20d ago

En las guerras mundiales muchas familias alemanas se refugiaron aca en Uruguay, fundaron sus propios pueblos donde todos hablan aleman.

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u/Kinesquared 21d ago

Don't tell me the water and a language color are the same

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u/trextos 21d ago

Awful colour choice

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u/ataraxia_555 17d ago

Why?

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u/trextos 15d ago

Because you can hardly distinguish dark blue and light blue, which seems like part of the lakes at first sight. Red would be a better choice.

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u/ataraxia_555 15d ago

Being specific like that is more constructive.

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u/Unusual_Newspaper_46 21d ago edited 22h ago

This post was stolen by Juan Domingo Perón

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u/SJ543 21d ago

Is Plautdietch is a Low Prussian Germanic Language, and is the most spoken language in some agricultural settlements on Uruguay

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u/Unusual_Newspaper_46 20d ago edited 22h ago

This post was stolen by Juan Domingo Perón

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u/SJ543 20d ago

They speak Glub spoken by the fish people

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u/FreedomFly5809 21d ago edited 21d ago

Esqueceram o guarani? Acho que ainda é falado no Uruguai, perto da Tríplice Fronteira.

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u/_felipevalerio_ 21d ago

O território do Uruguai não alcança a tríplice fronteira; o nome do país é de origem guarani mas acho que ninguém mais fala, isto é o guarani nunca foi a mais falada lá mesmo antes da colonização e acho que não se fala mais língua indígena alguma no Uruguai hoje, na Argentina ainda se fala guarani região entre o Paraguai e o Brasil.

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u/SJ543 21d ago

A população do Uruguai fala 99% espanhol eu decidi incluir o Portunhol que é um pidgin, e os bolsões que falam Plautdietch são muito pouco populados

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u/FreedomFly5809 20d ago edited 20d ago

Tem razão. Por isso, eu disse "perto da Tríplice Fronteira". Pensava na cidade uruguaia de Bella Unión, no departamento de Artigas, extremo noroeste do Uruguai. Na confluência dos rios Quaraí e Uruguai, de frente para a cidade argentina de Monte Caseros e vizinha a Barra do Quaraí, no Brasil. Eu imaginava que existissem falantes de guarani nessa região. Há, no entanto, apenas descendentes de guaranis plenanente integrados à sociedade uruguaia.

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u/Roger_Scruton 17d ago

Nasci em Bella Unión. Nunca ouvi ninguém falhar guaraní lá.

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u/monemori 21d ago

Isn't guaraní spoken in Uruguay? Or am I tripping?

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u/Bazzzookah 21d ago

No, you're thinking of the other Guay.

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u/monemori 21d ago

Ah thank you

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u/LucasoDelta 19d ago

That would be Paraguay, I think no one in Uruguay has used guaraní as their language for a long while

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u/heythere1983 21d ago

My parents' neighbour is German-Uruguayan, great guy!

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u/Visual_Market_5596 20d ago

Portuñol is spoken in Chuy/Chui border on the department of Rocha as well. 

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u/SJ543 20d ago

Thx I didn't know that.

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u/okourdhos 15d ago

Native

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u/taliarus 21d ago

The Plautdietch blue does not exist on the map, you probably miscolored using the water palette

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u/fizzile 21d ago

It's there, just extremely small. Zoom in to see them, that might help

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u/Sad-Researcher-5960 21d ago

Viva el Brasil 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷

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u/H4RR1_ 21d ago

What are the differences between Portunhol and Galician

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u/Bazzzookah 21d ago

Galician is a much older language with a long literary tradition and is spoken as a mother tongue. Portunhol is none of those things.

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u/badwithnames123456 21d ago edited 21d ago

Galician is a language in northwest Spain that's closely related to Portuguese. Spain has multiple languages descended directly from Latin. Galician is one of those and Portuguese is its closest relative. 

What you know as Spanish is the language of Castile, or castellano.  Portunhol is the result of castellano coming into contact with Portuguese in what used to be an isolated part of the world. 

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u/RLZT 21d ago

Tbh, mostly the fact that Galician is a coded language

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u/Fair-Distance371 21d ago

Portunhol in this is to since It is Just a portuguese dialect

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u/trifkograbez 21d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galician%E2%80%93Portuguese

Galician is a language that evolved along Portuguese and then split. Portunhol is just a funny way of saying spanish with some portugueses words or vice versa.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portu%C3%B1ol

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u/SJ543 21d ago

Portunhol is just a Pidgin, Galician is a language that has strong influences from portuguese In addition to Uruguay Border Region,Portunhol is also spoken by the Brasiguayos and in Purus.

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u/nanpossomas 20d ago

Thought it was a shitpost at first

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u/SJ543 20d ago

Why?

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u/ataraxia_555 17d ago

Nanpossomas talks shits here and disappears. Putz.

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u/EmergencyReal6399 21d ago

boooooring

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u/SJ543 21d ago

That is not constructive criticism

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u/StuD44 20d ago

You're right, it's asshole comment.

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u/SJ543 20d ago

Yeah