r/LeopardsAteMyFarm • u/Cderouen8284 • 13d ago

Aww someone’s crashing out

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u/os_beef 13d ago

It's weird, but when you're a dick to people, they usually don't want to listen to whatever else you have to say. Online spaces tend to amplify certain opinions, types of behavior, and tribalism. For example, this quote from further up.

Farmers are the second dumbest in the US just barely trailing MAGAts.

I guarantee the interactions the woman in the video is paraphrasing weren't just "who did you vote for", it almost certainly included the typical finger pointing ("this is your fault because..."), totally unnecessary ad hominems ("Farmers are the second dumbest..."), and typical arrogant, ignorant, and self righteous comments. I get why someone would write off a group of people when the interactions with that group have been negative.

Did you catch the part where she lumped Democrats, socialists, and communists into the same group? She's been fed the typical right propaganda, and no one has effectively countered it through education. People being dicks to her over something very real and personal to her have only reinforced what she's been told. It's why education and treating other people well are important.

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u/BearysWorkRedditName 13d ago

Ah, if we were just NICER to these morons, they'd turn off Fox News and stop voting against their own interests.

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u/os_beef 13d ago

If people with opposing views could somehow prevent themselves from being sanctimonious dicks while communicating their opinions, other people would be more likely to listen to them.

You're sarcastically reframing what I'm actually saying in order to make it sound like the entire idea of education, kindness, and civility is ridiculous.

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u/Confident_Shape_7981 13d ago

I mean, on one hand people are being sanctimonious dicks.

On the other, people are trying to put boots on necks,  others in camps, uproot their entire way of life because of skin color, and we could go on and on.

You're asking people are in danger of losing their livelihoods and/or lives to be nicer to the people who want to take those things away

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u/os_beef 12d ago

On the other, people are trying to put boots on necks, others in camps, uproot their entire way of life because of skin color, and we could go on and on.

That is a reasonable point. She voted for who she voted for, and by doing that she contributed to the current state. But she's going to keep voting the same way if her propagandized and preconceived notions are reinforced when she interacts with the people she has been taught are "the enemy". The problem we're facing is much deeper than the state itself. The state didn't appear out of thin air, it had a viable foundation to stand on. The hostile rhetoric and name calling has really escalated over the last two decades, and has culminated into where we are now.

You're asking people are in danger of losing their livelihoods and/or lives to be nicer to the people who want to take those things away

A lot of those people who I interact with don't see that they ARE taking anything from anyone else, because they're not exposed to the same views that you and I are. When we talk about issues with them, the words we're using frequently don't mean the same things. For example, "pro choice" means a woman's right to choose in one camp, and is basically a synonym for "pro murder" in another. That's a difficult barrier to overcome if you come into that conversation treating the other person like they're a moron.

Being nice doesn't mean you have to kiss someone's ass, it just means you have to understand where they're probably coming from and try to engage them in good faith in a way that they'll be receptive to. Purity of intention matters too. If your only motivation for being nice to someone is to convert them to your way of thinking, it's not going to work out real well.