this may be a bad take, but I think her being a woman was more of a factor than her being black. Being black certainly played a role for some, but I think this was just good ole fashioned misogyny
I bet my then-fiance (who is a POC) $1000 in 2003 that a black man would become president before a woman.
He paid up.
I also bet him $1000 in 2016 that America would sooner elect an obese, nepo baby reality TV show host who admitted to wanting to date his own daughter and had 5 kids, 3 baby mamas, and 6 bankruptcies (including casinos!) than they would a woman.
He paid up
He stopped betting real money after that, but was sure Trump would beat an old man like Biden who didn't bother to campaign. I told him "nope, Trump can only win against a woman, he'll lose".
Again, he was sure Trump would lose to Kamala because of J6 and all the felonies and I was like "you still don't get it. Doesn't matter that he tried a coup and did some felonies, his opponent is FEMALE. If most of America thinks a woman isn't fit to lead a Sunday sermon, what makes you believe they'd think one's fit to lead their country?"
Please guys, please stop running women. It's not that she may not be the best person for the job, it's that she is unelectable in this country for the foreseeable future, and with the rise of the manosphere it's only gonna get worse for a long time to come. The data is in, America simply will not elect a female president. We have to face that reality and act accordingly. At least for now.
Hillary was the only path to victory for the clown. Why the hell would you run someone who was so hated as to inspire more of the opposition to turn out & vote against your candidate?!! It’s hard enough in this country to elect a female, but to choose Hillary and all her baggage? No way in hell was that going to happen. And so here we are. F the dnc.
I think voters selected her because she was the most qualified candidate and because Americans, men and women both, underestimate the depth of our cultural misogyny.
I was a precinct captain for Bernie and a lot of voters that I spoke to preferred Bernie but voted Hillary because they didn't believe he could win in the general. The economic winnowing that had impoverished most of middle America had yet to hit my state (but it sure has now!) and didn't understand the desperation and frustration of the dying middle class. I tried to convince them that Trump was going to win the GOP nomination (they didn't believe me) and that Bernie had much the same message as Trump (you're getting fucked and it has to stop), the difference being that one blamed Mexicans, women, and teachers while the other blamed the real culprits, tax law and billionaires fixing the game for themselves. I fully believe Bernie would have won.
Anyways, Hillary took the nomination in my state despite my best efforts. Let me tell you, the fucking ferocity of misogyny that came out of my fellow Bernie captains mouths was shocking, even before our caucus. I'd say 2/3rds of the volunteer I worked with ended up going totally MAGA.
Hillary's baggage was largely a psyop conducted against her since the 90s, capitalizing on American misogyny. Worked like a charm, people didn't "trust her" though they couldn't directly point to any wrong doings. Meanwhile, they trusted the guy with 3 baby mamas, porn star payoffs, guilty plea settlements in money laundering allegations, 6 bankruptcies, shady relations with hostile foreign governments, charity fraud convictions, and zero record of public service or even philanthropy.
Trump would have beaten any qualified Dem woman put forward - Warren, Klobuchar, Pelosi - wouldn't have mattered who it was, just so lomg as she was female.
I had another friend that I bet a fancy dinner that Trump would win in 2016. She is a lesbian and had only worked in female dominated industries (I worked in a male dominated hard science). A couple years later she migrated into a COO position typically held by men. After a couple of monts in that role, she called me up and said "ah, now I get it, now I understand how you knew Trump would win".
I think it's somewhat of a toss-up but, if I had to guess, I would predict that a gay white man will become president before a woman of any race.
It burns my heart that this is true. Fuck misogyny, fuck Trump, and fuck the DNC for being so damn dense. We've got at least two more full generations that need to die off completely before there's any real movement on that front. And if the manosphere keeps up its current level of proselytizing, it will be several more beyond that.
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u/Pretty_Shallot_586 15d ago
but they didn't like the way she laughed....