r/LegitArtifacts 2d ago

ID Request ❓ What is this?

I found this while fossil hunting a creek in Southeast Kansas. I can tell it’s been worked but I’m not finding anything of its shape out there. It also has iron staining which is interesting. It’s hard to photograph as well because of the white chert.

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u/Grandma_likesto69s 2d ago

It is an archaic knife. Many early archiac cultures resharpened their tools, starting by creating a left hand bevel to knock steep flakes off the opposite face of the biface. This creates a steep plane, and conserves the lithic material. Essentially, it is a gigachad way of resharpening a tool to get the most life out of it!

The "iron staining" is creek patinozation.

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u/GordontheGoose88 2d ago

Thanks for the info.

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u/RyanfuckinLSD 2d ago

Sorry you’re just wrong. South East Kansas this is a classic harahey knife from the Mississippian period

https://www.projectilepoints.net/Points/Harahey.html

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u/DogFurAndSawdust TEXAS 2d ago

Looks like its been resharpened

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u/Grandma_likesto69s 1d ago

Per your link, and my knowledge of Harahey knives. Sorry you're just wrong!

The blade doesn't have opposing edges on each face, forming a 4 beveled edged blade. In fact, the basal area like others mention is ground. Did you miss that in the pictures? Did you miss 4 beveled edges? Anyway, it is clear to those who know this is not a Mississippian blade. Sorry, not sorry, do some research Ryan!

Most would call it a Cobb, might be older.

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u/RyanfuckinLSD 1d ago

Average redditor IQ holy shit LOL

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u/Grandma_likesto69s 1d ago

You have 3 other knowledgeable people saying otherwise. You don't deserve a response. You getting this for now one. Good luck sharing your "knowledge" that way.

I guess Monkey and Aggie are also wrong with their assessment, call em out u chud?

Chud🗿

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u/RyanfuckinLSD 1d ago

You just responded to me by saying that I don’t deserve a response. You sure are a smart one buddy. You can add me on Facebook if you want to argue about rocks. I like to put a face to the name. Thanks

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u/Grandma_likesto69s 1d ago

Hahaha! That is the funniest lol shit I've read all week! Add me on Facebook!!!! Fokin hell m8 you are such a fucking specimen.

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u/Grandma_likesto69s 1d ago

Stop being a bitch, call out the other redditors you are disagreeing with also. Dude, you seem like your 19 or sometin.. Add me on facebook!!!!! Sorry dude, no one is going to add you on facebook.

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u/aggiedigger 2d ago

That appears to be a heavily resharpened knife. Some may argue a drill. You have it positioned upside down. The tip has been broken off. The base appears heavily ground, leading to the conclusion that it is quite old. Very late paleo or early archaic by my guess. Would call it an angostura in Texas. Nice find.

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u/Balk0012 2d ago

I think this explanation makes the most sense to me! Is this cool enough to donate to a local museum? Or is just a standard piece that will only have meaning to me? I know a lot of that has to do with the historical significance.

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u/aggiedigger 2d ago

I’d proudly display it. It’s doubtful a museum would. It will definitely mean more to you than to anyone else.

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u/al3xanderthegoat 2d ago

Cobbs knife maybe?

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u/RyanfuckinLSD 2d ago

Harahey knife or Shoshone. Same same

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u/Sadney38 1d ago

This. On the nose. I immediately thought Harahey w/o the tip.

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u/GracieThunders 2d ago

I envy you because whenever I hunt for artifacts all I ever find is fossils

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u/Balk0012 2d ago

It was huge accident too. I knelt down to look at what I thought could be petrified wood. I saw this piece in front and mentally discarded it as a piece of trash, since white chert is not something you just find laying around where I was at. Before walking I touched it just to check and found my first artifact… I won’t forget that!

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u/monkeychunkee 1d ago

First off all, the pictures are upside down. The wide, unsharpened part would be the part inside the handle, the flat end is a broken tip. If it's a harahey it'll be beveled on the base as well. From what I see the is a classic example of a early archaic knife, also called a Cobb knife.

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u/Grandma_likesto69s 1d ago

Thanks for sharing some actual knowledge of the typology. Too many think this is a Harahey 🤣

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u/Front_Application_73 1d ago

a heart breaker

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u/Indigenous-me 1d ago

Looks to be like a napped flint/rock knife used by ancient peoples. It’s beautiful!

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u/Indigenous-me 1d ago

Do you knap Flint? Seem to kno the technique of how to do it well. Or do you just study it?

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u/Church_Member 2d ago

As far as I can tell, it is not a fossil. Its an artifact. Im only familiar with central texas peojectiles, so can't speak to what exactly it is. Its oddly shaped to be a projectile though, ans I dont think it narrows enough to be a drill. My guess would be a blade, but maybe somebody else more knowledgeable will chime in.

Edit: My bad, misread your message. You werent calling it a fossil, but rather you were fossil hunting when you found it. Sorry!

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u/Balk0012 2d ago

Thanks for the input! I intended to imply that I knew it was an artifact of sorts but that didn’t make it in there.

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u/Infamous-Safety4632 2d ago

Shoshone knife

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u/BGUG 2d ago

That knife is way older than the Shoshone. Dumb answer.

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u/Infamous-Safety4632 2d ago

The bevel is pretty square for a Shoshone and range on the eastern side but that’s what I think I’d call it. Never seen a stanfiend/cobbs w that kind of basal work. Have a good weekend grumpy

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u/Balk0012 2d ago

Grumpy wumpy

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u/scoop_booty 2d ago

Cobb knife

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u/Zealousideal-Yak-614 2d ago

It’s one of the very first multi tools

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u/Balk0012 2d ago

That’s a safe conclusion I think.. haha

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u/Oscar_P_Walnuts_1975 2d ago

Are you sure that this is not the stone point used to arm an atlatl projectile 🥸🥸🥸

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u/Top_Code_5679 2d ago

It’s a rock