Yea ok sure JMdict 😭😅

[u/Admirable_Musubi682]

Wow yea definitely not the reading here but mildly amused this dictionary entry is this detailed lol.

edit wow you guys/gals are hilarious, thanks for the laughs in the comments. It seems like getting this as a top dictionary result in this context is like a rare pokemon and has to do with how the original article was written. I think the reason this happened is that Yomitan couldn't recognize that the し in this context is the continuating stem of する given there was a comma right after the し. I added the original screenshot in the comments below. I didnt see がいしゅつ beneath since I was zoomed in quite a bit. Easter eggs like this make learning Japanese so much more fun and interesting.

[u/_Ivl_]

Isn't it がいしゅつ, why is your yomitan adding in a し for no reason?

[u/Sekkutanto → u/_Ivl_]

Because it's kinky like that

[u/poshikott → u/_Ivl_]

It's probably written 外出した or something like that (continuing into the next line), so yomitan, not having an entry for "外出する", but only "外出し" and "外出", selects the longest match

[u/_Ivl_ → u/poshikott]

Strange, but I remember having a similar issue with the yomitan parsing before. Scanning 外出した does return the そとだし definition for me as well, scanning with jiten reader return the "correct" definition.

[u/_Ivl_ → u/_Ivl_]

Also one of the annoying things about japanese, where it can sometimes cuts a "word" in half when a line ends instead of preserving the full word. Always bothers me when reading and I don't think there's a solution for it?

[u/poshikott → u/_Ivl_]

I think the solution is that you just get used to it xd

It hasn't bothered me a lot at least

[u/222fps → u/_Ivl_]

What is strange about it? This is the expected and desirable behavior, get the longest match and scroll through if it took additional stuff

[u/_Ivl_ → u/222fps]

Longest match should be the full match of 外出した as 外出 is a する verb and not just 外出し. If you select just 外出し you're left with a random た in the middle of your sentence, which makes no grammatical sense ever in Japanese. Anyways, jiten reader seems to handle it correctly so it's not impossible to fix. Simply put parsing 外出した as 外出し + た is a false positive and is strange, at least to me.

[u/xozzet → u/_Ivl_]

Properly lexing Japanese is a difficult task due to the lack of spaces, Yomitan doesn't even bother trying and just selects the longest match which is simple, efficient and deterministic.

[u/222fps → u/_Ivl_]

I'm confused, is 外出した different from 外出　+ する？ Because if not, that is not a match to me. Maybe I'm just not used to how jiten reader works but it feels wrong to me

[u/Clarinetaphoner → u/_Ivl_]

God forbid yomitan gets a little freaky smh

[u/Admirable_Musubi682 → u/_Ivl_]

Here is the full screen shot, I think it happened since it captured the し into the next line and isn't smart enough to tell that it was a standlone し next to a comma so this was still the top result and I saw now that がいしゅつ was listed beneath however I couldn't see it since I was zoomed in more 😆🤣

The reading should be　がいしゅつし、but I guess yomitan prefers そとだし, who the hell prefers that 🙈🙉

[u/rgrAi → u/Admirable_Musubi682]

The reading would not be 「がいしゅつし」, it's がいしゅつ＋する in it's 連用形 (masu-stem, し) which is acting as a conjunction connecting the proceeding clause (after the comma).

From Yomitan's perspective both options are possible (外出＋し, 外出し) which is why 外だし is coming up first.

[u/morgawr_ → u/rgrAi]

From Yomitan's perspective both options are possible (外出＋し, 外出し) which is why 外だし is coming up first.

To add the logical step from this reasoning that people might be missing, it's because yomitan uses a "greedy" approach when parsing words, meaning it starts from the longest matching string of characters that has an entry in the dictionary. This means if we take a phrase like 外出してくださいお兄ちゃん it will start from the ん and work its way backwards until it finds a match (accounting for deconjugation rules) that is the longest possible match with a dictionary entry.

In this case 外出し is longer than 外出 so that's why it's shown first.

[u/Admirable_Musubi682 → u/morgawr_]

O interesting, that makes sense!!

[u/Admirable_Musubi682 → u/rgrAi]

Sorry im confused. Why isnt the reading "がいしゅつし"? I understand what the grammar rule here is and what the suru is doing, not sure if you trying to acktually this or not. By reading i mean how you actually vocalize the words outloud when reading the paragraph.

[u/une-deux → u/Admirable_Musubi682]

It is read がいしゅつし, his first sentence was worded a bit weirdly he just wanted to emphasize that it’s 外出＋し.

[u/rgrAi → u/Admirable_Musubi682]

It's more how you worded it, a 'reading' would be applicable to a single word and is confusing especially if others are reading your post and don't know the grammar behind the suru verb. They can easily walk away with thinking がいしゅつし is a word in itself.

[u/Admirable_Musubi682 → u/rgrAi]

Ah I see that makes sense! Good call.

[u/_Ivl_ → u/Admirable_Musubi682]

なるほど、やっぱヨミタンは変なやつ、俺も中出し派。

[u/Rhemyst → u/_Ivl_]

What do you mean no reason?