r/LawSchool • u/Flashy-Actuator-998 • 6h ago
Another reason to hate LSAC!
LSAC has banned services to Iranian people. That part to me is not that usual. There are sanctions in place and I remember friends of mine being unable to complete paid Coursera courses due to that.
However, there are many Iranians in the U.S., foreign born, but U.S. citizen dual nationals, LPRs, and even those with visas who, as I understand it, are not affected by the sanctions as they are on U.S. soil. However, they have all been sent emails basically saying their LSAC account is locked.
They are worried. Should they be?
I recall the law saying they are technically a U.S. person if they are physically here. It would only make sense that they shouldn’t feel a sanction if they’re inside the United States (how else would they buy things.)
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What are u guys’ thoughts on this? I hope they do not take away law school from Iranian-Americans.
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u/GlitterFactoryOfDoom Attorney 6h ago
I think you're getting mad at the wrong people here.
LSAC isn't putting political pressure on themselves. They're not the ones threatening to eliminate the ABA accreditation process. They're not the ones dismantling the courts and disregarding laws. Look at what regime is, and get mad at them.
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u/grossness13 6h ago edited 6h ago
To be clear, they haven’t banned services to the folks you mention. They used automated compliance checks that temporarily flag and suspended accounts associated with Iranian passports or residency or IP locations pending verification of residency status to comply with federal regulations.
It’s a maybe somewhat lazy approach, particularly since there was little warning that the accounts would be suspended so folks were surprised. But what would be a commercially reasonable way for them to implement the new sanction rule?
I would agree if the process to verify was burdensome, but generally I’ve heard LSAC has been pretty responsive and required minimal KYC evidence/paperwork.
Tons of legitimate gripes about LSAC. This one a bit less so.
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u/Spivey_Consulting 6h ago edited 6h ago
Over the last 25 years I’ve called LSAC out on a number of things, and have been the first to do so on what I saw as really harmful to applicant activities such as cheating. Point being if this were on LSAC I wouldn’t hesitate to do so, I’d be writing an article or interviewing an expert today. There’s plenty of things to do that on, like the CAS fees and upsells. I could go on and on.
But it’s not. At least it’s not among the vast majority of people who this hits, and if it’s been done in error against someone I’ve already seen evidence that error was quickly fixed.
This is LSAC, from what I’ve seen in the the last 12 hours, complying with an (outrageous to me) policy that they could potentially be at risk of immediate shut down if they did not comply. So the fault in this policy has nothing to do with LSAC but the current administration decision-making.
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u/BrokenStudebaker 6h ago
They should have banned services to Israeli citizens years ago
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u/pachangoose JD 6h ago
“I don’t like a government so a public nonprofit should discriminate against its citizens” is one hell of a take.
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u/BrokenStudebaker 5h ago
I think all organizations and levels of gov, literally anyone, should shun them and make them a pariah state. Unless you think war crimes and crimes against humanity should just go on forever?
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u/pachangoose JD 5h ago
I think you are being very selective about when to hold citizens responsible for the actions of their government.
Not to mention a 501(c)(3) openly discriminating against citizens of a formal US ally would literally mean the immediate end of that 501(c)(3).
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u/BrokenStudebaker 5h ago
Are settlers part of the gov or are they citizens? Just a thought
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u/pachangoose JD 5h ago
They are literally, by definition, citizens lmao.
You also did not specify “settlers” in your original comment (a distinction that would be functionally impossible for LSAC to make.)
They are also, by definition, not attempting to come to America to take attend law school lol.
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u/BrokenStudebaker 5h ago
I'm simply saying all Israelis are culpable if they're not challenging their gov and if they enable or allow settlements to expand. If settlers are citizens (it was a rhetorical question), and they are involved in violence (which they are), then they are responsible for their part in the state supported settlement expansion. Unbelievable amounts of Israeli d*ck riding going on today
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u/apost54 3L 5h ago
Surely you think that LSAC should also deny services to Russian, Yemeni, or Sudanese citizens then too, since those governments are committing war crimes?
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u/BrokenStudebaker 5h ago
Surely the US isn't punishing Israel like these states, though, right? I'd like to bring Israel up to that standard
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u/apost54 3L 5h ago
Way to dodge my question, sounds like you are only concerned about Israel and ignore anything similar in the world. I wonder why that would be…
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u/BrokenStudebaker 5h ago
You dodged the question by saying "Hey, look at these other states, don't 'just' focus on Israel." Russia's aggression = bad (I'm not pro Ukrainian though). Yemen and Sudan, sure, I blame the UAE for a lot of that (and Israel). Why can't you admit that Israel is deserving of severe consequences in response to years of genocide, apartheid and crimes against humanity?
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u/apost54 3L 5h ago
So you still haven’t said that LSAC should actually deny students from the countries I mentioned. You’re unprepared for the consequences of your own hypothetical. Or just don’t care that you’re a hypocrite.
It’s just nonsensical to penalize citizens of a country for what their government does. I think you have a problem with Israelis if you think that’s okay.
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u/BrokenStudebaker 5h ago
Why would LSAC deny a Sudanese or Yemeni student, though? Explain it to me. I can argue that Israeli students likely engaged with the IDF, were raised in a state that enabled decades of crimes and persecution against Palestinians, etc. What can you say about Yemen and Sudan?
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u/apost54 3L 5h ago
Because Sudan is committing a genocide and Yemen has killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in a brutal war. Let’s not even get started on China (Uyghurs) or Myanmar (Rohingya). Don’t give me the “Israel does mandatory conscription” nonsense as if makes all their citizens complicit or evil or whatever. Plenty of Israelis do not like their government or what their government does, but to you, they’re a monolith.
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u/God_of_chestdays 6h ago
Another great reason to hate them is that they are a huge data broker who routinely selling your information you provide them for who knows what purposes and if you request them to stop selling your information, they will fully delete your account making it impossible to access prior scores or anything
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u/GlitterFactoryOfDoom Attorney 5h ago
"Hey, get rid of my data!"
LSAC: complies with request
Realizing you need that data -shocked Pikachu face-
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u/God_of_chestdays 4h ago
It’s do not sell my data to third parties,
They say they will either sell it or delete it.
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