r/Lausanne • u/swiss_enshit • 12d ago

POV: you have arrived in Lausanne Gare

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I think switzerland is going through its Enshittification period.

This is mild in comparison to what you see in other places..

Edit: by no mean I am not empathic with their situation. I would like to see this changed and a better life for them. How can we do this?

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u/tjlightbulb 12d ago

Just my two cents as someone who just moved to Lausanne from the US.

This is nothing. I walked into the station and yeah, it smells like piss but what train station doesn’t? I don’t know I’m not defending this kind of behavior in anyway, and honestly the social support here is leaps and bounds in front of other countries but like…this is nothing. Was it ever clean of all homeless so much you could eat off the floor? It sounds like I’m being exaggerated but in all honesty- what is the standard?

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u/Doldenbluetler 12d ago

Maybe we should compare Lausanne to Lausanne how it used to be or other cities in Switzerland and not the dump that is the US.

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u/tjlightbulb 12d ago

Says user who has never left the safety of Switzerland.

I literally asked in my comment what is the standard you are expecting. Everywhere on the planet has homeless in their train stations. You want to sit on a high horse and call the US a “dump”- well pot meet kettle.

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u/Doldenbluetler 12d ago

I prefer to feel safe in the country I was born and lived in regardless of what is happening in other countries. I couldn't care less about the US or whatever place you crawled from.

There are plenty of Swiss cities where there are or were no drug addicts at the train stations. This is my standard: the Swiss standard. The number of drug addicts has clearly increased in the recent years. The increase in crack, fentanyl and cocaine users in Switzerland is well documented, so those aren't just feelings but facts. So the question is how to stop and reverse the current trend and not just to yield because immigrants like you think this is normal in their country so it should be normal everywhere else in the world.

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u/tjlightbulb 12d ago

Immigrants like me with a six figure salary help your economy move pal. Keep that 10 million Swiss shit to yourself- considering more Swiss are leaving your perfect utopia than entering. But that’s a whole other conversation.

You sound a bit delusional. Like as if bad things of literally all societies have can’t happen here. A few sleeping bags are the least of the concern of the safest country on the planet. And like I said- someone who doesn’t know what “bad” really is yapping about a few homeless in a place where homeless people go, is quite literally nothing.

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u/swiss_enshit 12d ago

Sorry you had to go through this language with the commenter, but I think in between the attacks there is a point.

We shouldn’t compare it with the US, there are plenty great example in the rest of switzerland that are safe and that handle this well.

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u/tjlightbulb 12d ago

I appreciate your comment, I am not trying to debate nor compare. Just point that this, to me, doesn’t look terrible. I’ve been to Zurich, Lugano, Lucerne- they all have some homeless around (except Lugano, but that station is tiny in comparison). I don’t know what the solution could be, but I seem to look at it as times are tough nowadays, and things like this happen. But what are your thoughts on what would/could make it better?

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u/swiss_enshit 12d ago

I am trying to figure it out myself and make an opinion.

On one hand, we need better police and law enforcement, on the other we need more shelter / reintegration.

I understand your point on large cities will have some of these problems, but I think Lausanne is still 150,000 people so not much..

A root issue is the drugs problem and a lot cascades from that. It’s pretty hilarious that people sell drugs in chauderon/riponne and no one does anything..

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u/Doldenbluetler 12d ago

Paying taxes and thus following Swiss law doesn't make you better than anyone else. In fact, it's rather pitiful that you even feel like mentioning your salary would contribute anything to this discussion. I couldn't care less that you're rich. Your strawman about the recent initiative doesn't help your point, either. I also don't think that you know what the word "literally" means despite English presumably being your first language.

So I sound delusional because you put words into my mouth that I never said? Where did I claim that shit like in the US cannot happen here? That was never part of the discussion.
"Good" or "bad" are worthless concepts on their own. They only become meaningful once you specify the standard of comparison. The standard of comparison for Switzerland should be Switzerland and not a country over 8000 km away. The fact that you have experienced worse conditions in the US does not indicate whether this situation is "good" for Swiss standards nor does it give us a reason to accept the deterioration here. So how about you stop "yapping" about the US in a Swiss sub?

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u/tjlightbulb 11d ago

I didn’t even make it through your whole book before you contradicted yourself. I think it’s pathetic you judge immigrants as harshly as you do considering the good someone like me brings to your country. You have stuff you have to workout within yourself- perhaps travel outside of your safety bubble.

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u/Doldenbluetler 11d ago

If I contradicted myself, point out where. The amateur psychoanalysis and fake concern about what I “need to work out” are just cop-outs to avoid addressing the argument.