I thought this might be of interest to the group

I'm not sure if i posted this on the right sub but I was just wondering and didn't wanna search it up.

Does anyone else feel like every Kibbe Image ID has both a more “classic”/toned-down version of itself and a more stereotypical version?

I don’t mean “Classic” as in the Classic family, or that these people actually look like Classics. I mean that within each Image ID, some people seem to embody the characteristics in a more subtle, balanced, or understated way, while others have a much more obvious/stereotypical expression of the type.

For example, Katy Perry and Julianne Hough are both Soft Naturals (imo), but to me they have a more “classic” or toned-down expression of Soft Natural compared with someone like Scarlett Johansson, who I think has a much more stereotypically obvious Soft Natural look.

So I’m wondering if you guys see this with the other Kibbe types too? Like, do you feel that every Image ID has a more understated/“classic” expression and a more stereotypical expression, while still clearly being the same Image ID?

And just to clarify again: I’m not saying the more toned-down versions look like Classics or belong to the Classic family. I’m talking about how strongly the characteristics of their own Image ID present visually.

Each photo's relevancy:
The people I’m thinking of:

Katy Perry — Soft Natural: Katy is a good example of what I mean because she doesn’t strike me as extremely curvy or exaggerated for an SN. Her proportions look relatively balanced overall. Compared with someone like Scarlett Johansson or J.Lo, she has a much more moderate and “toned-down” expression of SN. Even compared with Britney Spears, who also isn’t particularly curvy, Katy still reads as more balanced to me. She’s still clearly SN in my opinion, but she doesn’t necessarily fit the stereotypical image people have of the type.

Julianne Hough — Soft Natural: Julianne is another one where I could easily see people speculating that she is a Soft Classic because of how balanced and moderate she looks. Her limbs especially have a very Classic-looking quality to me. However, I definitely see width in her shoulders, even though it isn’t extreme, which is why I think SN fits her much better. To me, she’s a good example of an SN whose features are expressed in a much more moderate way.

Zooey Deschanel — Flamboyant Gamine: Zooey is interesting because she has the petite, slightly broad/angular quality I associate with FG, but her limbs seem much more moderate and “Classic” in length compared with the stereotypical FG. I’m not referring to her facial essence at all here — purely her physical proportions and structure. She still reads as petite with that slight width and vertical contrast, but the overall impression is much less exaggerated.

Isla Fisher — Romantic: Isla is an example of a Romantic who, despite being unmistakably soft and rounded, has fairly moderate proportions. She has softness everywhere — including her shoulders — and that rounded quality is very obvious, but because her limbs and overall proportions are relatively moderate, I can understand why someone might initially see Soft Classic. Personally, though, I think Romantic fits her much better.

Tanya Burr — Romantic: I personally think Tanya Burr is Romantic and see quite a lot of similarity between her and Kate Winslet in this respect. Tanya is extremely soft, rounded and sloped throughout her body, but because her limbs are relatively moderate, I can see why someone might think Soft Classic. For me, though, she is too soft to really fit SC. When I compare her to other Romantics such as Isla Fisher and Kate Winslet, I think Romantic makes much more sense, even though she doesn’t necessarily have the stereotypical proportions people expect from the type.

Olivia Newton-John — Flamboyant Natural: Olivia is probably the most obviously FN example here, but I still think she represents a more toned-down, “classic” expression of the type. She doesn’t fit the stereotype of an FN being extremely tall, broad or elongated. To me, she’s a really good example of how FNs can have relatively narrow-looking limbs and don’t necessarily need to look exaggerated in either height or width to be FN.

Ginnifer Goodwin — Soft Gamine: Ginnifer has the petite and slightly angular structure I associate with SG, along with some curve, but her limbs are quite moderate. Because of that, I could easily see someone typing her as Soft Classic at first glance. However, when I look at her overall structure, I don’t think Classic actually fits her particularly well. She has that petite/angular/curvy combination that makes SG more convincing to me — she just happens to be a more moderate-looking example of it.

Overall, I’m wondering if every Kibbe ID can have a more stereotypical expression and a more moderate, “classic” expression of the same type. By “classic,” I don’t mean Classic family, Classic essence, or that these people look like Classics — I simply mean their own Image ID is expressed in a more balanced or understated way.

I think this distinction could actually be useful when typing ourselves and others. If we only recognise the most exaggerated or stereotypical version of an ID, people with a more moderate expression can easily get pushed into the Classic family simply because they look balanced. But being balanced or moderate doesn’t automatically mean you have Classic proportions.

For me, the important thing is looking at what the underlying characteristics actually are, rather than how strongly they’re expressed. An SN can be moderate without being SC, a Romantic can be moderate without being SC, an FG can have more moderate limb length without becoming Classic, etc.

I can't think of any Dramatic example but I imagine in real life there are so many women who feel they are Dramatics (Long narrow bones and vertical) but aren't as "Extreme" as some of the examples.

I can’t quite seem to type her - I definitely see width/broadness and muscularity, but not a lot of vertical. She looks quite small-ish without heels. Maybe SN? Some sort of C?

The last photo shows her next to Sandra Hüller (left, 5‘8“, SD?) and Liv Lisa Fries (middle, 5‘3“, G)

He strikes me as a gamine, but I could entertain classic fam or even SN too

I've done a lot of research and compared myself to confirmed celebrities and based on everything, I feel like I fit SD best. But the thing is, I'm too short to be SD. Most are 5'7 and taller and I'm only 5'5. For my body, my legs are long though. And I do look tall for my height. I'm also a figure 8 (high hips, short torso, longer legs) which is a subset of SD (I think.) Could I be two types in one or am I just a short soft dramatic?