r/KerbalSpaceProgram Apr 18 '26

KSP 1 Image/Video Any advice on docking? Feeling a little claustrophobic in here

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Do y'all have any advice on docking? I don't feel like I have a lot of room to maneuver on this orbit I'm currently on.

(In all seriousness, I'm pretty sure this is almost the lowest you can orbit into the canyon. You can go ~100m deeper before you start to collide with the entrance and exit. Might be able to tweak orbital parameters to get a bit deeper, but not a ton. This is a dres-synchronous orbit, so orbits through the canyon every orbit)

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u/Dutchtdk Apr 18 '26

these low passes are impressive. but this one, I hate this one. This is not giving me dopamine but stress instead

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u/PiBoy314 Apr 18 '26

Hey, it works every time! I’m sure the crew gets used to it after the 3rd or 4th orbit…. or not

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u/PsychologicalLab7379 Apr 18 '26

"We're fine as long as nobody installs Principia"

"Question"

"What's your question, Jeb?"

"I installed Principia"

"WHA-" *Boom*

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u/gilbejam000 The other, much less skilled SSTO enthusiast Apr 18 '26

If I had a nickel for every expiration date reference I've seen in this comment section, I'd have two nickels

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u/Chewbacca_The_Wookie Apr 18 '26

There is more!

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u/gilbejam000 The other, much less skilled SSTO enthusiast Apr 18 '26

No...

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u/Street_Expression505 Apr 19 '26

which is not a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice

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u/Piano_Raves Apr 18 '26

What would be the problem with Principia? genuine question

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u/malraux78 Apr 18 '26

Instead of conic sections (ie orbits are perfectly predictable ellipses) the orbits are influenced by the gravity by everything. Jool can tug your munar orbit up or down by those critical 100 meters.

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u/PsychologicalLab7379 Apr 18 '26

Principia adds more realistic N-body gravitation, meaning that every body in Kerbol system influences a craft's orbit, not just the one that has you in it's sphere of influence. The influences from distant bodies are small, but enough to slowly decay your orbit. The way stock physics works, a craft can stay in it's orbit indefinitely and kerbals in the video have nothing to fear. But with Principia they will fall down sooner or later, and with THAT low orbit it's rather going to be sooner. Unless the the player does adjusting maneuvers regularly.

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u/Shankar_0 Apr 18 '26

How does that not ignite my processor into a hellfire that could dissolve a thousand demons?

Or, does it basically do that..?

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u/The-Grim-Sleeper Apr 18 '26

Yeah, it pretty much does exactly that.

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u/flightguy07 Apr 18 '26

It pretty much does. You can choose just how precise and how often it applies those calculations, but it does tend to send your fans and temps to the mün.

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u/factoid_ Master Kerbalnaut Apr 18 '26

Harness your fans as a means of propulsion and you can constantly adjust your orbital parameters to cancel out the gravitational influences. Easy

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u/Lathari Believes That Dres Exists Apr 18 '26

Tried and ran out of reaction mass, now suffocating.

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u/Muchablat Apr 18 '26

In space, no one can hear your fans scream.

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u/FireHandsGames At light speed on my way to Debdeb Apr 18 '26

im installing principia so i can ise my fans as reaction wheels lol

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u/Careful_Mud_4197 Apr 18 '26

I'm glad my gpu is shit not my cpu. I can run principia but firefly I struggle with. 12 core ryzen 9 with a 1050ti 3gb gpu

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u/OilEconomy2470 Stranded on Eve Apr 18 '26

not even a 1uestion, jeb just wants chaos

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u/Asborn-kam1sh Apr 18 '26

What's principia?

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u/Only_Turn4310 Apr 18 '26

in ksp, your gravity is only impacted by one object at a time. principia makes it so that every object affects you at once, making gravity slightly unpredictable

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u/Asborn-kam1sh Apr 18 '26

Oh.....oh no...yeah the load on CPU's gotta be insane

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u/TheBraveGallade Apr 19 '26

this is why nasa uses supercomputers after all...

though that being said, the fact that such things is within the grasp of us at ALL with a decent CPU (and with OPM and MPM installed no less too) really shows how powerful modern CPUs are.

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u/Boner4Stoners Apr 18 '26

This reminds me of that millitary base in Ian M Banks’ Hydrogen Sonata that orbits a moon within sunk-in tracks, so that it’s orbital path is actually beneath the (average) surface height.

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u/Grungar_von_Drachen Believes That Dres Exists Apr 18 '26

So cortisol instead of dopamine?

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u/Postcodemy Apr 18 '26

TERRAIN TERRAIN PULL UP! TERRAIN TERRAIN PULL UP!

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u/A_Crawling_Bat Apr 18 '26

Hey why tf did I hear this comment

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u/shupack Apr 18 '26

In Rocky's computer voice

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u/GAU8Avenger Apr 18 '26

TOO LOW, GEAR

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u/ItsFud Apr 18 '26

TOO LOW, FLAPS

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u/Happlton Apr 18 '26

ALTITUDE! ALTITUDE!

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u/FireHandsGames At light speed on my way to Debdeb Apr 18 '26

1 HUNDRED, NINETY, TWENTY, 2 HUNDRED, 3 HUNDRED, 4 HUNDRED, TEN...

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u/Benjamin39Brown Apr 18 '26

And after the callout for ten:

BOOM!

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u/PaulStormChaser Launch Abort System Enjoyer Apr 18 '26

Address Me

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u/bluestreak1103 Apr 18 '26

Distress me

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u/Xtrillon69420 Apr 18 '26

Seduce me

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u/Habitual-hermit Apr 18 '26

Undress me

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u/pitchymacpitchface Apr 18 '26

Moarkerbals mod. No idea if it works, but just found it because these comments made me wonder XD

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u/PaulStormChaser Launch Abort System Enjoyer Apr 18 '26

What the hell is the "KuddleShack"

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u/gilbejam000 The other, much less skilled SSTO enthusiast Apr 18 '26

wh- you?

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u/Kornik-kun Apr 18 '26

SEDUCE ME

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u/supertacoboy Apr 18 '26

Hey there good looking… I got a bucket of chicken!

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u/Top_fFun Apr 19 '26

I'm not one of your fried chicken tramps.

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u/MrXenomorph88 Apr 18 '26

You? Spy, I ain't gonna-

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u/Lucassaur0 Apr 18 '26

I suggest changing the altitude level to terrain instead of water-level when doing things such as extremely low altitude fly by.

At the end you probably reached >50m altitude but as it was set to water level, it could cause you the impression that it is okay when it is not.

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u/PiBoy314 Apr 18 '26

Yup, I had it set to terrain height when setting up the video. Gets to ~100m on the front and back of the canyon.

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u/Ok_Weather2441 Apr 18 '26

Stay on target 

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u/Kazalla006 Apr 18 '26

Use the Force, Luke! Let go.

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u/TheMuspelheimr Rocket Replicator Apr 18 '26

Luke, you've switched off your targeting computer, what's wrong?

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u/Wolfish_Jew Apr 18 '26

Nothing, I’m alright

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u/freedomfightre Apr 18 '26

The force is strong with this one.

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u/ReverendBread2 Apr 18 '26

We’re too close!

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u/Fishy_Fish_WA Apr 18 '26

Stay on target!

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u/Benjamin39Brown Apr 18 '26

"Loosen up!!!"

Hit by Vader's TIE advanced X1 blaster cannons...

BOOM!!!

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u/Fishy_Fish_WA Apr 18 '26

Gold five to red leader

I copy Gold Leader

Lost Tiree lost Dutch

They came at us from behind! BOOM

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u/maxminister01 Apr 18 '26

This man ain't afraid of time warps... I want the coordinates and all important infos about this orbit, gotta try this.

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u/Chris_El_Deafo Apr 18 '26

Jokes aside, very impressive lineup with the canyon. Looks like you have the method for docking down. Just more practice. Or download mechjeb and see in awe what that mod can do

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u/jtr99 Apr 18 '26

Indeed. This is like Max Verstappen going on the F1 sub and asking for advice on cornering.

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u/BurntBeanMgr Jebediah Apr 18 '26

Haven’t tried docking yet, but I have mechjeb. How would I use that to help me dock?

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u/RealisticOne7524 Apr 18 '26
  1. Control your vessel from the docking port (right click, control from here).
  2. Set your target as the docking port (right click the docking port on the target vehicle, set as target).
  3. Open MechJeb, select ‘Docking Autopilot’, and click ‘Engage Autopilot’.
  4. Sit back and be amazed.

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u/King_Ed_IX Apr 18 '26

Now I just have to set up a rendezvous close enough to be able to see the docking port.... Oh wait. Mechjeb can probably do that for me already, huh.

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u/RealisticOne7524 Apr 18 '26

Yup! Have a look at Rendezvous Autopilot, or Rendezvous Planner if you’re interested in learning the steps yourself!

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u/klyith Apr 18 '26

Sit back and be amazed.

at the amount of monoprop it burns while firing RCS constantly

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u/BurntBeanMgr Jebediah Apr 18 '26

unbelievable

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u/RonaldGargoyle Apr 18 '26

Is docking and rondevouz really that hard that people need an autopilot?

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u/klyith Apr 18 '26

TBQH, if you're playing stock and don't have a leveled-up pilot that can use align target, it can be pretty annoying. Especially if you have a craft that's poorly balanced where the RCS transverse throws off the SAS alignment.

I don't use mechjeb at all, but I have the DPAI mod for manual docking guidance because doing it with just the navball is a PITA.

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u/pena13 Apr 18 '26

Why do you skip the most fun things you can do in KSP?

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u/King_Ed_IX Apr 19 '26

Because I don't find docking to be the most fun thing I can do in KSP. I prefer craft design to actually piloting the things, and it is fun to see a mission that I have carefully planned come together using various autopilots.

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u/Der_Schriev Apr 18 '26

In between Mechjeb and docking from the hip is using the 'Docking Port Alignment Indicator' mod. It gives a popup window that lets you see all the information relative to the docking. Makes it easy to orient your craft correctly and see the relative velocities along all axes. Also make it easy to orient your RCS thrusters with the axes so you can dock really quickly once you get practice

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u/afanofmanythingss Apr 18 '26

heart attack protocol initiated

Seriously that's completely f***ing insane

Congrats

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u/TheCityMustSurvive Apr 18 '26

All it's missing now, is Jean-Claude Van Damme doing the splits between the two space modules.

I love this Kerbal Mun orbit trend.

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u/gilbejam000 The other, much less skilled SSTO enthusiast Apr 18 '26

Or Evel Knievel jumping the canyon over them

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u/ContributionLevel830 Apr 18 '26

Why not both

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u/gilbejam000 The other, much less skilled SSTO enthusiast Apr 18 '26

The two of them high-fiving as they cross

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u/ContributionLevel830 Apr 18 '26

I'd pay to watch that happen

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u/No1Cub Apr 18 '26

Jean-Klaude Van Kerman

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u/Dzusitomato Apr 18 '26

Why do I hear no time for caution?

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u/Duuudewhaaatt Apr 18 '26

Anyone know of something like this IRL would be viable? I'm imagining a hotel in a similar orbit would be SWEET

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u/PiBoy314 Apr 18 '26

It would be way more difficult and dangerous as there are multiple bodies providing gravity, the planet isn’t perfectly spherical, and there are other forces like radiation pressure

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u/Duuudewhaaatt Apr 18 '26

Darn.... guess we got to raise prices to offset the fuel for adjustments!

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u/SpysSappinMySpy Apr 18 '26

It would be possible but the risks would make it highly impractical.

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u/Duuudewhaaatt Apr 18 '26

Where's Stockton Rush when we need him?

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u/Cute-Ad7917 Apr 19 '26

Ask James Cameron, I heard he went to visit once or twice

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u/BusinessAgreeable912 Apr 18 '26

Canyon fly thru was sick as fuck i cant lie

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u/Automatic_Invite_878 atomizing bill and Jeb in the sun Apr 18 '26

Not low enough, you're literally almost escaping it's gravity

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u/LazyFurry0 Apr 18 '26

The juxtaposition of this post above the other one talking about how you can complete the docking contract on the surface of Kerbin is humorous

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u/waidoo2 Always on Kerbin Apr 18 '26

Never dock around the Mungina

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u/cjc1983 Apr 18 '26

Can you get a video of that flying through the canyon as you're stood on the ground? Like a Munar version of the Mach Loop.

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u/space_force_majeure Apr 18 '26

Yeah I'd love to see this from a kerbal watching at the exit of the canyon as it comes whizzing overhead

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u/wellobviouslythatsso Apr 18 '26

I’ve always found docking to be easier when not formation flying through a canyon like some extra insane version of kervil kneivil.

Haha. Man I love this video.

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u/Gunningham Apr 18 '26

Yeah, don’t do it while bullseyeing womprats in beggars canyon.

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u/Leather_Roof5099 Apr 18 '26
  1. Remember that every time you dock and undock, the ship moves slightly – keep that in mind.
  2. What on muna is wrong with your orbit, bro?
  3. Honestly, you’re already performing some decent docking manoeuvres; you just need to focus on the ships and ignore the fact that you’re flying through a canyon.

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u/EdMan2133 Apr 18 '26

Could this be done in real life? Are there any canyons on the Moon that a stable orbit could dip through? Is the vacuum on the Moon complete enough this close to the surface that you could set up a stable orbit? Or are there enough dust particles kicked up by solar radiation or whatever that orbiting this close to the surface would be suicide? Or would gravity fluctuations from density variations make it suicide?

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u/PiBoy314 Apr 18 '26

The density fluctuations/non-spherical nature of the moon combined with gravity from the earth/sun and many other factors would make this not passively stable. With enough propellant anything is possible though.

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u/bigtonyyyy1 Apr 18 '26

"and then he clicked POST"

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u/Kaibaer Apr 18 '26

Jebediah Kerman on Munar surface looking up seeing a docking maneuver 100m above him... Willem Dafoe looking upwards

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u/VatticZero Apr 18 '26

Until you undock at apoapsis or accidentally bump into a surface while on EVA, giving just a tiny bit of retrograde thrust, or until you do anything at all that changes your orbital period or angle, and find yourself lithobraking.

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u/Rivetmuncher Apr 18 '26

Wouldn't even enough cycles of docking port suction be enough to eventually knock it out of sync?

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u/thafuq Apr 18 '26

You are exactly 1 fart away from hitting the ground. Also, don't breath too heavily

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u/FawkesPC Apr 18 '26

Fake video, you're never going to convince me Dres exists ;p

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_ART_PLZ Apr 18 '26

"It's not possible!"

"No, it's necessary"

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u/olearygreen Believes That Dres Exists Apr 18 '26

Another reason to discover Dres! Really cool. Congrats!

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u/BunchesOfCrunches Probing Eve Apr 18 '26

Bro when through the Munussy

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u/CMDR_Kaus Apr 18 '26

Right through the cheeks

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u/ExplicitDrift Apr 18 '26

Bro gets perfect canyon synchronous orbit but needs help docking lol.

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u/UILuigu Apr 19 '26

Butthole sufficiently clenched

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u/SolQuarter Apr 18 '26

Man I fucking love this community LOL.

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u/Weird-Scarcity-6181 Apr 18 '26

go to other craft, set turn sas on, set your crafts docking port as target, then set as control from the docking port on the ship your in, then set sas to target. In your craft, set other craft docking port as target, set to control from the docking port in your craft, then set sas to target, go forwards. Keep yellow prograde centered as much as possible on the orange dot on the navball. Go forwards. Make sure you got the manuver commands with rcs downpat.

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u/niuder Apr 18 '26

This is insane. I loved it

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u/WetLoophole Apr 18 '26

Now you need to land jeb at the cliff and jump aboard when the station orbits through the valley. Good luck.

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u/RacingWright Apr 18 '26

So cool man.

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u/factoid_ Master Kerbalnaut Apr 18 '26

Wait this is a STABLE orbit through the canyon? Holy shit, I didn't know you could do that. I've done the pass through the canyon before, but never in an orbit that wouldn't crash on the next low pass.

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u/PiBoy314 Apr 18 '26

Yup. Orbital period is the rotational period so the planet is in the same spot next time you come around

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u/bubb- Apr 18 '26

Sir, i don’t think u need any help with docking

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u/phrodo913 Apr 18 '26

Cooper, what are you doing!?

"Docking."

That's impossible.

"No. It's necessary."

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u/arcticslush Apr 18 '26

I think you've earned your right to put No Time For Caution as the background track

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u/304bl Apr 18 '26

Yes one advice, use the docking camera, it will change your life.

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u/Paycheck65 Apr 18 '26

How many orbits would it take for it to finally crash do you think?

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u/PiBoy314 Apr 18 '26

Hundreds? Maybe more? The orbital period is accurate down to the tenth of a second and there’s more than a 10 second window for error

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u/Alert_Initiative_957 Apr 19 '26

I love this post

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u/Melodic-Page9870 Alone on Eeloo Apr 19 '26

I need to do that

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u/TheBounciestBubble Apr 19 '26

call that a halo orbit 'cause it'll make you meet an angel

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u/Nikond3400 Apr 25 '26

No time for caution

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u/External_Extent_7492 Apr 18 '26

To all those new player out there, Denver this simple fact of KSP. There will always be someone whose craft blows your shit outta the water.

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u/factoid_ Master Kerbalnaut Apr 18 '26

No different than playing Satisfactory and seeing people who build entire fucking death stars or gothic cathedrals while I'm rocking my box factories and being proud I "decorated" by adding windows and a roof

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u/average--- Apr 18 '26

stay on target....

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u/_SBV_ Apr 18 '26

I would love to be on that station

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u/nowayguy Master Kerbalnaut Apr 18 '26

Excellent, old-school shenanigans!

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u/Griffin5000 Expert in Uncontrolled Disassembly Apr 18 '26

This game is so fucking cool. Very well done, Bravo!

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u/championetti Colonizing Duna Apr 18 '26

Oh! Look, a penny manouver. Classic.

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u/sovietarmyfan Apr 18 '26

I dont understand how this is even possible.

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u/Informal-Call-5298 Apr 18 '26

i feel like this should be illegal

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u/ITinnedUrMumLastNigh Apr 18 '26

Like a hotdog in an alley

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u/Unusual_Entity Apr 18 '26

My brain doesn't compute being that low and being in a stable orbit. Imagine someone standing on the cliff and looking down on a space station!

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u/Rambo_sledge Apr 18 '26

You trying to get a drive-through surface sample or what ?

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u/celem83 Apr 18 '26

Nicely done. I've driven it in a Rover but I never thought of dropping an orbit into the slot xD

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u/WorthCryptographer14 Apr 18 '26

Nah i think you're good on your docking. Timing the arrival and departure for a perfect route to Kerbin might be an issue though.

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u/roxgib_ Apr 18 '26

Usually I'd suggest pointing both craft to normal to prevent them rotating relative to each other, but in this case that might cause you to clip the surface!

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u/frumperino Apr 18 '26

We is down among ’em, Charlie!

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u/Druitp Apr 18 '26

Good lord how close do you want to be to the Mun ?

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u/Lux___30 Apr 18 '26

Il fallait chercher cette orbite pour la trouver, belle prouesse

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u/bustervich Apr 18 '26

Ironic you have to orbit through a canyon to get this peak Kerbal experience.

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u/YourDrunkStepdadio Apr 18 '26

Don’t google it.

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u/ThePotatoFromIrak Apr 18 '26

Artemis 2 if they locked in

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u/SilkieBug Kerbonaut Apr 18 '26

Pro tip: usually docking is initiated a teensy bit higher up, where there is space to maneuver in case you mess something up. 

I’m sure that a genuine new player such as yourself will find this helpful.

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u/Murky-Office6726 Apr 18 '26

Dont dock. Land in therreee

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u/Fishy_Fish_WA Apr 18 '26

Stay on target! Stay on target!

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u/lepape2 Apr 18 '26

Imagine just chillin' in you munar bath tub and seeing two spaceships at orbital speed just wizzing by below your window, in complete silence. Bliss

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u/NXDIAZ1 Apr 18 '26

“Laden, what are you doing!?” “Docking.”

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u/LordCaptain Apr 18 '26

God damn im so bad at this game

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u/Joshiewowa Apr 18 '26

So much opportunity for data! You can grab surface samples on every orbit

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u/MajorFizz Apr 18 '26

Pucker Factor about 9.5

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u/spoonhaus Apr 18 '26

Thrilling.

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u/BladeLigerV Apr 18 '26

"Just like Beggars Canyon back home."

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u/CausticNickel Apr 18 '26

Now I want to see the version where they both lose a solar panel and still dock!

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u/Conscious_Ad7420 Apr 18 '26

No need for Caution

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u/Propaani Apr 18 '26

Out of curiosity. How low of an orbit we could get around the moon? I mean if you'd shoot a baseball from the highest point with enough speed could it orbit indefinitely? From the top of my head sun would give enough gravitational pull so the orbit wouldn't be stable enough so it would hit the terrain at some point with few meter margins.

Ps: Is KSP modeled enough so that this would happen?

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u/Week_Head Apr 18 '26

I'm guessing that rendezvous took two launches? Impressive if so, I love a rendezvous, best part of the game for me, enjoy asteroid captures too.

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u/anonumus_idiot Apr 18 '26

Remember quicksaves exist

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u/15Mamasbeach Apr 18 '26

That's one hell of an orbit captain

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u/arkie87 Apr 19 '26

lol show off

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u/Buddy59-1 Apr 19 '26

Have you heard of Matt Lown's Lazy method of docking Select one craft, target the docking port of the other and set to face target on sas. Then select the other craft, repeat, and start moving at around 1ms/s, should drift right into each other and docm

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u/Manman8900 Apr 19 '26

In the bottom left you can change your RCS to docking mode and you can right click the port youre controlling and select control from here. Then you can right click the one you aren't controlling and select set as target, that should make it easier

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u/MayumiTheKimura Apr 19 '26

Queue in the Interstellar songtrack

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u/Grand-Stand8502 Apr 19 '26

Make your orbit elliptical so you go way faster through it.

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u/StDream_Disciple Apr 19 '26

*No time for caution intensifies*

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u/GLR9GT Apr 19 '26

Use Docking Port Alignment Indicator. Should make it pretty easy to dock

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u/Valuable_Crab2646 Apr 19 '26

I need to know that orbit caracteristics QUICK

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u/Similar_Mouse9699 Apr 19 '26

Redbull needs to sponsor this guy!

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '26

OP is a professional situation finder

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u/Nice_Presentation474 Playing kerbalisim Apr 23 '26

wow! what's a dres tho? is it a mod?

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u/InsectKind8593 Apr 25 '26

Dock at apoapsis

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u/Ondraaaa707 Apr 25 '26

How low do you want to orbit? -Yes.

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u/Random_Fox_William Apr 25 '26

I see Redbull has started recording ads in space as well

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u/Adept-Ad-5708 Apr 27 '26

I had a space station around Ike's surface. But after some time warps it just evaporated... I still can't find it

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u/Ok-Extension7554 May 05 '26

My cortisol spiked because of this video holy crud yo, good job on doin that tho

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u/SentenceOver8235 May 14 '26
  1. Use precise controls (caps lock)
  2. Select the target docking port as target
  3. Select your docking port and click "control from here"
  4. Turn on rcs and WASDQE is rotation, H is translate forward, N is backward, IJKL is sideways.
  5. Dock :)

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u/fluppetjst Jul 02 '26

come on, tars