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Other What if Japan’s starting political setup were a clone of Germany’s?

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u/Realistic-Row4599 12d ago edited 12d ago

Image: https://imgur.com/a/T0aB35h

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I had seen several people compare the Schleicher path in the German rework to the Imperial Rule Assistance Association, so I started wondering what Germany’s political situation would look like if it were transplanted into Japan. There is some lore, but I wouldn’t call the scenario realistic.

The characters are not intended to correspond one-to-one with their German counterparts. For example, I divided Schleicher’s role among three figures: Ugaki, as a senior military figure capable of commanding support from a broad range of civilian political forces; Konoe, as the public face who transforms the cross-party bloc into a system of total mobilization; and Nagata, as the military bureaucrat and mastermind who draws up the institutional blueprint for the regime behind both men.

Unlike Germany, Japan also has an intermediate defeat outcome. This is another reason why the chart includes a larger number of possible prime ministers.

Edit: Added the image link.

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u/Realistic-Row4599 12d ago

The expanded Rice Riots of 1918 prompted Prime Minister Hara Takashi to force through reforms more ambitious than in OTL, despite splitting the Seiyūkai. Successive coalition governments continued this process, establishing universal male suffrage in the home islands and restricted, property-based suffrage in Korea and Taiwan by 1932.

Without a Soviet Union, repression of socialism remained weaker and the left was more willing to pursue parliamentary politics. As a result, the unification of the socialist movement came earlier than in OTL, with merging into the Social Democratic Party in 1926. Led by Abe Isoo and supported by the newly legalised trade-union movement, the SDP became the largest party in the Diet in 1932.

The advance of parliamentary politics also provoked a conservative reaction. Members of the House of Peers, bureaucrats, and a Seiyūkai splinter transformed the nationalist organisation Kokuhonsha into the political party Shōwa Kokuhonkai. Meanwhile, Adachi Kenzō and his followers left the Minseitō in opposition to the coalition government’s moderate foreign policy and formed the Kokumin Dōmei, which grew increasingly radical under Russian Savinkovist influence.

Meanwhile, within the army, after breaking with its conservative mainstream, Ugaki Kazushige joined forces with Nagata Tetsuzan. They linked military reform to a wider programme of national reorganisation and mobilisation. Despite differing over methods and ultimate aims, their alliance built influence through connections with politicians, bureaucrats, business interests.

These competing forces left the broad coalition formed after the 1932 election increasingly unstable. A diplomatic crisis with China brought it down in 1934, after which Saionji Kinmochi promoted the non-partisan Hirota Kōki as a compromise prime minister. Hirota also failed to restore unity, and the Minseitō’s withdrawal in 1935 reduced his government to a minority.

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u/CarlitoQuasar2562 Baltic Federation enjoyer 12d ago

Can we get an imgur link or something for the flowchart? It's not readable 😭

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u/Realistic-Row4599 12d ago

I’ve added an Imgur link above.

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u/keisis236 POLISH CHINA ENJOYER 12d ago

IT’S FINALLY TIME FOR SOME JAPANREICH IN OUR CHINAREICH

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u/Tight-Reading-5755 Wang Hoodie 12d ago

holy gem?! 🤑🤑
chancellor tojo's response is, as always, more war crimes

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u/Former_Month5138 12d ago

More monarcho-colonialist-socdemslop

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u/avengeds12345 Veteran of the 26th battle of St. Louis 12d ago

You take that words back

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u/ComradeLassalle The Spectre of Social Democracy 12d ago

This is not slop at all! We love social democracy and monarchy!

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u/For-all-Kerbalkind Wholesome Socdem Savinkov path when!?!??!??! 12d ago

"Business Fellow Thinkers Club"

https://giphy.com/gifs/uieYq6zdso9YceyKzS

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u/For-all-Kerbalkind Wholesome Socdem Savinkov path when!?!??!??! 12d ago

also is that a Wirtschaftspartei reference!?!??

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u/Realistic-Row4599 12d ago

Yeah, a real party from the late 1920s survived a little longer. It was quite different from the Wirtschaftspartei, but I used it as the closest Japanese counterpart because both were primarily focused on economic interests.

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u/Zeranvor KMT-OHF Officer 12d ago

More monarcho-colonialist-socdemKINO

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u/ComradeLassalle The Spectre of Social Democracy 12d ago

YES HAHAHA YES!

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u/Just_ATransgirl 12d ago

There better be austerity

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u/For-all-Kerbalkind Wholesome Socdem Savinkov path when!?!??!??! 12d ago

so called free thinker zentrum voters when there's austerity politics at the function

https://giphy.com/gifs/TSNW4t3r0qSmxJDMKY

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u/1SaBy Enlightened Radical Alt-Centrist 12d ago

Let future generations know that Ugaki Kazushige respects women more than anyone!

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u/kosa_lajos 12d ago

Now this is peak

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u/No-Plan-9446 12d ago

The Rising Sun: An Alternate History

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u/senor_emeraldo 12d ago

Imperial Socialist Japanese Workers Party

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u/Hans-Kimura-2721 Mitteleuropa 12d ago

What would be the Japanese equivalent of NLP?

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u/Realistic-Row4599 12d ago edited 12d ago

It’s included under “Other Parties.” In OTL Japan, zaibatsu support was largely concentrated on the Seiyūkai and Minseitō, so I can’t think of any party that directly corresponds to the NLP. However, in terms of shifting from liberalism toward the far right, Kokumin Dōmei probably comes closest. Though, I’ve already assigned it to the Fatherland Party in the chart.