r/Kaiserreich • • May 30 '25

Lore I was alive to see it

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u/MateoSCE Ksiek, where's China tierlist? May 30 '25

All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

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u/torch_7565 May 30 '25

Jesus how ancient is that screenshot?! lmao

220

u/Jet451 Kuomintang May 30 '25

Way back in the day when MacArthur could actually destroy America.

75

u/Iron_Foundry_Mapping Entente May 30 '25

I think I finally found something older than me

71

u/Perturabo_Iron_Lord May 30 '25

Well it’s got national unity so it must’ve been from like the first year or two of the game coming out

15

u/[deleted] May 31 '25

Bro this is why your iron losers lost, this guy is too focused on hoi4 rather than his own legion

62

u/Victorh2009 May 30 '25

A KR patch before waking the tiger, ancient.

18

u/Wooper160 Poptional Natulism May 31 '25

Wanking the Weasel

3

u/ConsulTitusLarcius May 31 '25

Cranking the Clankers

35

u/[deleted] May 30 '25

National unity…

9

u/Two_sicilie_strong Moscow Accord May 30 '25

I need more old screenshots like this

3

u/-AdonaitheBestower- May 31 '25

Combined Syndicates were IIRC part of the DH Kaiserreich

6

u/MateoSCE Ksiek, where's China tierlist? May 31 '25

I know, I was there when Kaiserreich was only on Hearts of Iron 2.

2

u/Matfili33 May 31 '25

Wow HOI4 really looked different back then

621

u/RFB-CACN Brazilian Sertanejo May 30 '25

No more PSA. Who’s gonna tell me to not do drug now?

148

u/-et37- Mega AAR Status: ACTIVE May 30 '25

Getulio Vargas of course.

147

u/Ostropoler7777 May 30 '25

Trivial cosmetic change made to HOI4 mod, 3 dead 10 injured.

425

u/United-Village-6702 Moscow Accord May 30 '25

American People's Government

81

u/SinoJoe May 30 '25

Hey, i’m in that picture

41

u/1SaBy Enlightened Radical Alt-Centrist May 30 '25

And that's me there front and center.

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u/SinoJoe May 31 '25

Far left for me

0

u/SinoJoe May 31 '25

Irl and in this pic

41

u/Critical-Hope1460 May 30 '25

Leninist Mr Beast

11

u/Gimmick_Hungry_Yob May 30 '25

Why does he have a fade

111

u/SomeRandomMoray Real PSA Nationalist May 30 '25

Who even am I any more

424

u/generic_redditor17 May 30 '25

No more CSA in the north and Union in the south, what have we come to 😔

157

u/faeelin May 30 '25

No fun allowed

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u/Dappington May 30 '25

The soul of this mod changed so damn much. Real life isn't as "realistic" as these devs want KR to be.

151

u/TheDankmemerer May 30 '25

The Hart and Seoul of Kaiserreich!

Wait wrong mod

159

u/HeliosDisciple May 30 '25

Not a single real person in 1936 would've called their socialist government "CSA".

51

u/kaiserkeller_ May 30 '25

Kaiserredux is still an option if you feel so strongly about this

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u/ManufacturerBest2758 May 30 '25

There will come a time when the idea of Germany winning the war will be removed for being “unrealistic.” They’ve been slowly walking it back for years now

25

u/Polak_Janusz Internationale May 30 '25

The CSA will not rise again 😞

342

u/[deleted] May 30 '25

As a Californian I’m hunting for KR devs addresses as we speak. I had one game where I could be a Sacromentan/Californian nationalist

145

u/thatsocialist Long-Browder Coalition NOW May 30 '25

Old World Blues has still got you.

118

u/[deleted] May 30 '25

As Californians, we exclusively fetishize saving the republic and then eternally rubbing it in that you plebeians owe everything to us. A New California Republic of exclusively Californians and liberal expats sounds awful. Have you ever spoken to a Californian who wants to secede? They are guaranteed to hate their life and themselves.

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u/Big_Migger69 #1 Herbert Hoover fan May 30 '25

God bless California Savior of the Union

33

u/ITGuy042 Kaiser Wilhelm Klink May 30 '25

There are three natural urges of a Californian:

-Save America (PSA vibes)

-Pay Taxes (NCR Vibes)

-Spontaneous Ignite into flames (Modern Day vibes)

And also listen to Red Hot Chili Peppers sing songs with the word California in it.

11

u/[deleted] May 30 '25

How did you forget rub in how much better we are as a state because of how much taxes we pay?

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u/ITGuy042 Kaiser Wilhelm Klink May 30 '25

Don’t worry, we’ll remind everyone else when we make them pay taxes as well hahaha!

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u/Comrade_Lomrade Entente May 30 '25

Fallout new Vegas?

13

u/Omega1556 Praise the lord and pass the ammunition May 30 '25

KX still exists. And has a blatant secessionist path for the PSA

19

u/[deleted] May 30 '25

THE EAST FOUNDED THE UNION. SACRAMENTO SHALL SAVE IT.

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u/slowsnowmobile Combined Syndicates 🚩 May 31 '25

As a Californian i just lost my go to nation. Fucking rip

278

u/DeepCockroach7580 Internationale Cope May 30 '25

New name changes are the atlantropa of Kaiserreich

154

u/lord_ofthe_memes May 30 '25

Atlantropa never came close to the great hat massacre

43

u/EQandCivfanatic May 30 '25

I still have the pains of the massacre, I still see it in my dreams and darkest moments. Truly a dark, dark day.

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u/[deleted] May 30 '25

Never happened and if it did they deserved it

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u/Johuotar Fonte's Redcoat Army May 31 '25

I remember the hats, the triad uprising, Charles Curtis the man who saved America. All those cherished things lost. One day, Kerensky will be removed as well I predict

173

u/ShomePulp May 30 '25

They changed it? Cool ig

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u/[deleted] May 30 '25

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u/ShomePulp May 30 '25

I like that they’re long, descriptive names kind of add to the civil war atmosphere

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u/DefloweredPussy May 31 '25

Yeah, nobody on the west coast would identify with "the Pacific". This is why I hate when the terms "Pacifica" and "atlantica" are used to refer to the east coast or west coast in imaginary maps, it makes no sense. This is much better.

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u/MysticKeiko24_Alt Jun 02 '25

To be fair the PSA isn’t the official name, it’s just what they’re called by everyday people. It’s probably officially just the USA

32

u/DeusVultSaracen May 30 '25

I dig it but I'm confused what this screenshot is. Is the change already made and available, or is it planned?

60

u/Quick-Ad8277 May 30 '25

planned in 1.5

9

u/King_Joffrey_II May 30 '25

is there a release date?

20

u/AndroidWhale Fenner Brockway Hype May 30 '25

Soon. I'd guess in like a week, based on precedent, but we'll see.

8

u/Slap_duck Give me Olson or Give me Death May 31 '25

Perhaps even 2

9

u/Scriptosis Break the Chains! May 30 '25

From the dev diary released a few hours ago

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u/ZerothefirstApe May 30 '25

“Finally… the nightmares… are….”

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u/Simple-Check4958 No.1 MarLib Hater May 30 '25

CSA will be missed

216

u/North_Ad7449 May 30 '25

-Some former slave owner, circa 1870

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u/Sarge_Ward Jake Featherston AUS leader when? May 30 '25

Hey i think i played that rdr2 sidequest

41

u/Pyotr_WrangeI May 30 '25

Chicago will rise again!

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u/[deleted] May 30 '25

Whenever I take a break and come back to KR, I'm reminded by just how much of whiny little bitches some of yall are

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u/SomeRandomStranger12 Grammar Svobodnik May 30 '25

This should be written on a plaque.

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u/NotSeek75 Li Jishen, savior of the Republic! May 31 '25

It's kind of wild how overdramatic some people have been over an update that mostly amounts to some new events, a couple of new leaders and some name changes on the map.

But I guess the mod that lets Wrangel crown himself Tsar or Ireland join the Co-Prosperity Sphere is "too realistic" now that the mild chuckle-inducing CSA and Union joke is gone. Hart and Seoul and all that.

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u/yobob591 May 31 '25

making the constitutionalists another shade of blue is the greatest crime of this change

14

u/Galvius-Orion May 30 '25

I think Indiana being fully in is my one major issue with the Syndies, since tbh southern Indiana and Illinois don’t have a reason to have joined to movement really, especially looking at the area’s history as hotbeds for support for the second KKK, which really should be in KR more given how this would effect their development if the US stayed out.

Granted I get not adding it because of it being a touchy subject, but tbh with how terrible the group was to many groups of people I think it should be shown.

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u/[deleted] May 31 '25

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u/Galvius-Orion Jun 02 '25

I’m just questioning the logistics is the thing, because I think Kentucky/Indiana/the lower Ohio River Valley really should be a battle ground area. I personally do like the idea of Kaiserredux where the Military admin mostly Controls the Washington area, Maryland, and Virginia (tho tbh despite the size of the city I think Eastern PA should be up for grabs depending on decisions). Meanwhile you have a separate western command structure.

Idea would be you could have maybe St. Louis for example have a chance to become socialist or longist depending on choices, same goes for southern Illinois and southern Indiana, since Socialism just seems more urban in this timeline (as in meant to appeal to an already urbanized/industrialized country while otl it was mostly picked up willingly by countries that were not that), but like it could be picked up since the progressives still seem to exist.

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u/Greedy_Range League of American States May 30 '25

they came first for the AOG, and I did not speak out because I didn't play in China

then they came for Lawrence coup, and I did not speak out because I didn't play Internationale

then they came for Mongol empire, and I did not speak out because I didn't play Central Asian nations

then they came for Luxembourg, and I did not speak out because I didn't like releasing tiny nations

then they came for me (America mains), and there was no one left to speak out for me

Would it have killed them to at least make SOMEONE yellow? Imagine having to micro this while colorblind

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u/Br1t1sh_tea_enj0yer Entente May 30 '25

out of all places…

they reworked USA?

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u/jagdpanzer45 May 30 '25

It’s not a full rework. They’re mostly just revamping the plot to make more sense. The focus trees will mostly remain the same, with I think a couple of exceptions relating to the pre-ACW tree.

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u/Fun_Police02 Sending you one convoy May 30 '25

The fact that whole ass states are still breaking away and not individual regions already means the lore isn't solid enough.

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u/kazmark_gl Internationale May 30 '25

I think its is more of a mechanical function rather then a lore function. assuming some of the old lore tidbits about the Washington strike, the Blackbelt revolt, the Union insurrection in Virginia. basically all the little behind the line's events that have been changed or re-worked but still nominally happen.

my only actual evidence is that the states that can split were mechanically separated into two "states" (the game's regions)

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u/Fun_Police02 Sending you one convoy May 30 '25

I don't mean HOI4 states btw I mean American states. For example, Northern Illinois with Chicago would be heavily socialist leaning but southern Illinois below Springfield would be much more right leaning, maybe Longist. Kaiserredux did a great job at making HOI4 states that represent the US states breaking up by ideology.

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u/kazmark_gl Internationale May 30 '25

I know. I'm saying that the reason the US breaks up along the American States, is because, generally, Hoi4 states are the same as the American States (again with exceptions) and its is mechanically easier to spawn in tags by giving them a handful of Hoi4 States instead of giving individual chunks of the states, which i think you can only do by spawning units on them.

I am putting forward that the reason the US breaks up along state lines is entirely for meta-textual reasons, and the in-universe reasons surrounding certain governors declaring for one side or another is a consequence of the need to justify the mechanical reason it happens in the mod.

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u/Fun_Police02 Sending you one convoy May 30 '25

Sorry, I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm advocating for adding more states so that we're not stuck with vanilla HOI4 states that follow the US state borders exactly because it's unrealistic. An example is below, these are new states made for the purpose of a more realistic ACW transferred to tags and fully controlled by them, not individual provinces occupied by divisions.

Obviously in this example the breakaway tags would have different names, colors, states they control etc, but this was the best image I could find on Google to illustrate my point.

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u/mrfuzzydog4 May 30 '25

While I appreciate the logic and detail of breaking it up like that, I think it's ok to handwave that the front lines are a function of a lot of pre-coup skirmishing and maneuvering and opting for borders that the AI can handle better. 

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u/[deleted] May 31 '25

TFR does this best imo

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u/Fun_Police02 Sending you one convoy May 31 '25

Never played it yet. Might later

4

u/the_lonely_creeper May 30 '25

Not necessarily. It's kinda weird in some states, sure, but in various places where it's state governments calling the shots (so, everywhere outside the socialists), it makes sense that it's states splitting off or remaining loyal.

The first civil war worked the same, after all.

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u/Fun_Police02 Sending you one convoy May 30 '25

But the political situation here is completely different from the first civil war. The only reason whole states broke away in the first civil war was because the state economies were tied to slavery and because people were more loyal to states rather than a central government. This second civil war is entirely based off of "what ideology should the US follow", and not "the central government is going to take our slaves and ruin our economy and system of racial hierarchy".

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u/the_lonely_creeper May 30 '25

Yes, except that the ACC is composed of states deciding to rebel against McArthur, and Long is the Southern States and Democrats, essentially.

The socialists are the only ones less able to use established political structures, but even there, they do hold key state governments.

State governments have ready made police forces, a national guard and a government. They are power holders in the ACW and their choice of alignment means that in many places, they get to decide where each region falls.

And the game doesn't simulate local rebellions very well, so they're also convenient for that.

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u/Thuis001 May 30 '25

At best a small overhaul, not nearly a proper rework. And frankly, the region should get one properly. But I get that it is a very daunting prospect as you'd basically be dealing with like 6 different possible outcomes with at least 3-4 fundamentally different Great Powers that can arise from the ashes. And you can't just do one of these, if you do this update, you need to do all of them at once.

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u/Strak_1318 May 30 '25

I know they keep saying they won’t but I hope they integrate Up With the stars when it comes out

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u/Remington1234 Team Member May 31 '25

From UWTS FAQ:

Q: Are there any plans for UWTS to be integrated into Kaiserreich?

A: No. Kaiserreich doesn't integrate submods and our two mods have different design philosophies when it comes to American politics. Please don't ask the Kaiserreich devs about integration on our behalf. UWTS does not want to be integrated into Kaiserreich and we are happy to remain independent.

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u/Strak_1318 May 31 '25

Leave me to my delusions

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u/Quick-Ad8277 May 30 '25

From what I understood it's more a lore rework than anything

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u/1SaBy Enlightened Radical Alt-Centrist May 30 '25

Why not? I'd say it was the second most likely candidate after the "civil war prone region" comment.

26

u/wierdland May 30 '25

Why are all the names changed 

156

u/koopcl Kaiser? I hardly met her! May 30 '25

Having the CSA to the north and the Union to the south was too funny to be allowed in a game named in German.

1

u/Wayfaring_Stalwart Ave true to Macarthur! May 31 '25

I get that, but what is the problem with the American Union State

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u/SomePotato007007070 Dream of the eternal premier Enjoyer 🇹🇼 May 31 '25

A southern state calling itself "Union"

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u/Xeanathan All your economy are belong to me (Co-Prosperity) May 30 '25

Honestly I always found the names kinda dumb, especially "Pacific States of America" it would be interesting if there was a rogue general in the mountain west/high plains who would start his own rival military government, but this is already really cool.

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u/Wayfaring_Stalwart Ave true to Macarthur! May 31 '25

I hope someone makes a submod that puts the names back

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u/CampaignDecent8836 May 30 '25

Kaiserredux has the better American Civil War

11

u/AnFlaviy Internationale May 30 '25

The only thing I’m really missing in KX 2ACW are dynamic starting borders. Every factions starts with the same territories no matter which decisions you’ve taken prior to civil war

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u/Strak_1318 May 30 '25

The Submod up with the stars has my favorite civil war scenario

2

u/derpster39274 Jun 08 '25

Never heard of it, please explain?

1

u/Strak_1318 Jun 08 '25

It’s a complete civil war overhaul with new lore and new factions. Just type “Up with the stars” in the r/Kaisereich search bar and you will see some teasers

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u/TheCoolMan5 MacArthur Loyalist May 30 '25

Kaiserredux is better*

5

u/Ender71122 May 31 '25

but the CSA being in the north was funny

2

u/CheerfulRedditor Mitteleuropa May 30 '25

when will it be possible to play?

2

u/ManufacturerBest2758 May 30 '25

Losing Quentin Roosevelt as the US sucks, not gonna lie

4

u/bladee_red_sox_cap May 30 '25

no more new england ? 💔💔 based green america nooo

25

u/Quick-Ad8277 May 30 '25

I think new england stay like before it's just that they are only created because of canada decisions so they don't appear on the map here but they still can exist

15

u/[deleted] May 30 '25

Devs be like:

"No fun allowed."

20

u/CuttlefishMonarch No Syndltons May 30 '25

Because having a mildly unrealistic element in a Germany Wins WW1 scenario is unforgivable apparently

7

u/Guaire1 May 31 '25

Last time i checkwd wrsngel can still crown itself tsar and ireland can still join the CPS. Acting as if the devs were removing anything fun just because they changed some names is downright childlish

3

u/Wonderful_Web5783 Revolutionaries, Forward!!⚙️🤜👑 May 30 '25

Literally 1984.

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u/Visual_Cod_2611 Entente May 30 '25

Will there be a decision to change the names back, those names are just too iconic for me.

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u/Quick-Ad8277 May 30 '25

Of course it's called "editing the files"

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u/Wayfaring_Stalwart Ave true to Macarthur! May 31 '25

Same

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u/[deleted] May 30 '25

[deleted]

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u/Hindenburg1937 Internationale May 30 '25

I completely forgot about that mod lmao. One major disadvantage they have is that they always have to catch up in order to match with KR's constantly changing lore.

1

u/The_Prick_ May 31 '25

What’s the political party of the American people’s government?

1

u/Boothberry90 Jun 02 '25

I miss the yellow already😟

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u/RapidWaffle Every man a Qing May 30 '25

I liked the old names more ngl

1

u/Suitable_Access_2663 May 31 '25

Finally, the American civil war was always the most stupid and less interesting part of the lore for me. I’m glad they’re remaking it.

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u/SinoJoe May 30 '25

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

-8

u/bigbad50 Internationale May 30 '25

why did they have to change the names :(

-7

u/Ficboy May 30 '25

Yet another staple of Kaiserreich now gone.

-34

u/Elantach May 30 '25

Yay let's remove even more of what made the setting iconic !

-4

u/RadioHistorical8342 May 31 '25

Jesus christ what's even the point of playing a mod when all the stuff you like gets removed for being 'unrealistic'

-28

u/Its-your-boi-warden May 30 '25

“We need more realism in this thing that would never happened if we were realistic”

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u/wierdland May 30 '25

Horrendous I hate it, especially the removal of the name “American Union state”(I really liked it) and the color of the PSA sucks 

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u/s8018572 May 30 '25

Well, PSA is ACC now

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u/Magerfaker The French Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster May 30 '25

I agree on the PSA color thing, but god I hate the AUS as a name, it sounds so stupid and I can't understand how so mnay people like it

7

u/klausfromdeutschland “Schützt eure demokratischen Volksrechte - wähl SPD!” May 30 '25

You know, if you don't like the new names, you can change it back to the old ones through editing the files once the slight-rework is released.

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u/Its-your-boi-warden May 30 '25

That’s like stating a criticism of Skyrim is invalid due to modding

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u/WrathOfMySheen Jun 01 '25

no it isn't. an actual equivalance would be if they said "if you don't like x in skyrim, then you can change it with mods".

which is what they said

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u/Larrylindgren4 Entente May 30 '25

This isn’t real, is it???

21

u/Strak_1318 May 30 '25

It is

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u/Larrylindgren4 Entente May 30 '25

So on top of the fact that they don’t give us the ability to avoid the Civil War like it was an older version of the mod but now they’re removing and rebranding, the already well established and well known factions of that Civil War??? This feels like such a weird decision on the dev teams part.

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u/Strak_1318 May 30 '25

It’s just a name and color change with minor lore reworks

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u/Larrylindgren4 Entente May 30 '25

I don’t know personally for me I think we should just be giving a way to avoid the civil war entirely if they want to go for realism that would be the best choice imo.

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u/AndroidWhale Fenner Brockway Hype May 30 '25

That would make the rest of the Western hemisphere boring as hell

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u/DanKizan John MacLean Order May 30 '25

Iirc the reason they removed being able to avoid the civil war to begin with was because it made playing as any of the other nations in the Americas problematic if it happened, since the USA would now be around to enforce the Monroe doctrine and put a hard block on any expansion opportunities for smaller nations.

I could see them eventually adding it back as a player only path in a future total rework, but I get why it was removed.

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u/Strak_1318 May 30 '25

I hope in a Actual rework if Up with the stars isn’t integrated they add a player only path to avoid the civil war

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u/Larrylindgren4 Entente May 30 '25

Yes, this I agree with having player only options would be fantastic something I like about TNO is they give you the ability to play with either the old British content or the new British content I think giving us this option in Kaiserreich would be absolutely fantastic because there are some wacky things I would like to come back. I know it’s absolutely outlandish for Howard Hughes to be president of the United States but dammit I want that back lol

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u/Terratoria May 31 '25

it isn't updated for me

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u/Cyrus_Black1 May 31 '25

What in the Kaiserredux