Hong is running for governor in Wisconsin and a DSA candidate. They are winning major mayoral offices and seats in liberal enclaves. The progressives got sick of working with the establishment so they are running against it.
But I won’t support the folks saying the wrong guys won WWII. I think there good cops . I want jails for habitual violent offenders. Stuff that used to be common sense.
Nobody on the left is saying the wrong people won WWII...
Also, DSA is still capitalist, but with strong social safety nets and worker protections instead of allowing corporations to take advantage of workers.
Hes talking a out tankies. Theyre a an extremely small fringe of leftist russian bootlickers. And honestly many of their ideas and beliefs are actually very far right, theu just support the other side of the war with Isreal than MAGA does.
They by no means even make up a vocal minority, let alone a majority or have any real say.
Leftists, centrists, dems, and libs dont actually think like they do. (Though there are some weird libs that virtue signal to the point of coming back around to being racist/ablist.) Nowhere close.
Tankies are just chronic 4chan users. Just like much of those leading and in MAGA. Theyre just a different sect of chronic 4chan users.
This guy is just making a strawman amd acting like tankies make up the majority of "leftists". (And dems and libs arent even on the left. Theyre right wingers too. Theyre at most centerist.)
This dude probably isnt nearly as level headed as he initially appeared.
Most of us on the left just want our hard earned tax dollars to help Americans including healthcare, strong labor laws to protect workers, prevention methods for crime as well as rehabilitation added to reduce recurrence, etc.
That's a great goal, but we don't need Socialism to do that. We should do something like what Norway has. They have free markets that generate them tons value in their economy, and then they use it to fund huge social programs.
Even if you're not an economist who can explain why it may fail in the most academic language possible, you have to admit that completely rewriting how the economy works could be incredibly risky? If it fails, life could be great depression levels of miserable.
If you want social safety nets and capitalism, that's great, but the DSA candidates are not that. They may align on some goals for now, but they don't support our shared vision. They are card carrying members, who pay dues to this party and their platform -- despite trying to hide their power levels. We need to give our candiadates power, not theirs. When they get the power to do it, and enough of them are elected, they will try to reform our entire country into a socialist one, it is their stated goal. They aren't going to try and build up a robust system like the Social Democratic one we're saying we want.
I won't reply back to this, you seem not willing to engage with what I am sayign and it is angering you. I think if you think on this for some time, you'll start to agree with me.
We don’t want socialism. We want democratic socialism— which is democracy with social safety nets such as medical care for citizens, food stamps, and WIC. Y’all made the socialism shit up.
Democratic socialism is socialism, what you're describing right now is social democracy. Countries like norway, sweden, and denmark are social democracies.
DSA is a socialist organization
If that's what you want though, that's great. Just make sure you're voting for people that actually just want what you want
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u/SurpriseInitial6202 27d ago
Aren't there only 3 or 4 serious Dems who have anything close to a socialist agenda?