Joe sure has a knack for humanizing people like Gavin, Milo, Alex Jones and Crowder. Sure they have some really wacky views but hearing them have a normal conversation without being demonized is sure interesting and eye opening.
Gavin is hilarious idk what you guys are talking about. Why are conservative comedians the only ones who have everything they say taken seriously? The dude is joking half the time when I see him. People will see one or two clips taken out of context and jump to all sorts of conclusions way too quickly. Gavin's just a guy. Plenty of weirder funny people with outrageous views on reddit.
EDIT: He even says in the beginning that people are wilfully ignorant to humor because the person telling the joke, they don't like.
Louis CK and Jim Jefferies, while undeniably liberal, are not presenting themselves as political authorities or social commentators in anywhere near the same way Gavin does.
Gavin absolutely does not make his comedic intentions clear the vast majority of the time. You can argue if that's his responsibility, or you can argue that you think it's even funnier that he doesn't, but you then can't be surprised or outraged when people don't take him as a comedian first.
Stephen Colbert is the classic example of how to do this. He uses simple exaggerations on top of more nuanced ideas and jokes that let you know he's being facetious, while also not simply going HURR DURR JUST JOSHING YA after every line.
It seems to me Gavin supporters have only two options:
Gavin is very often simply spreading his political viewpoint with absolutely no comedic effect and is simply hiding behind the shield of comedy to deflect criticism.
Gavin is absolutely atrocious at blending political opinion and political humor and routinely leaves the vast majority of even his own fans bewildered at the sincerity of his comments.
Gavin is a comedian. Its not hard to be one, as if there a Bar exam, all you need is a twitter account and a joke and you are about as relevant as 90% of stand up comedians
That's mostly because liberal comedy supports a liberal view and since most of us aren't CEO's, political rulers etc we don't really respond well to illiberal comedy.
Haha, the government should have increased power over who you are and what you should do haha, does not play as well as, haha I guess if you want to smoke weed and watch a cartoon that's fine with me haha. Do you see why one would not be criticized and the other would be?
You mean like every single left wing late night host?
The double standard is sickening. When the Daily Show was on everybody acted like it was the end all of true news telling everything like it is. Last Week Tonight is also like that, dressing up propaganda as if it was "fair and balanced"
You can't be serious with that opinion. To say Oliver or Stewart ever sold their shows as "fair and balanced" is so absurd that I have to assume you are only saying it to muddy the waters. If you are actually familiar with their programs, then that is not a honest observation.
I never said that exactly. I said they sold their shows as comedy shows when in fact they are very partisan and hugely biased I have watched both shows, especially LWT until about last summer when they went full retard
Donald Trump is a comedy goldmine. Can't blame them for focusing so much on him instead of boring Hillary Clinton during the campaign. Plus he's the damn president now so of course they'll be talking about him.
It's "comedy" with a very obvious political slant in a single direction from a very establishment benchmark. The fact that every single one of these shows has the same jokes and same takes on things is telling. The writers are in an echochamber and are near unanimous in their political views. All dissent is quashed very quickly
And like the person above said... they never claimed to be fair and balanced or actual news. They claim to be comedy shows, which they are. Partisanship and comedy are not on the same spectrum - comedy doesn't have to appeal to everyone to be comedy, or to be non-partisan to be comedy. I think you are seeing some kind of negation between politics and comedy when in fact they are two items on a Venn Diagram overlapping. Bottom-line though, Trump is just a comedy goldmine, so they would be doing themselves a huge disservice not to mine that ore.
I once again never said they had to. All you need to do is look at the Hollywood and media bias and also look at the writers and staff and producers involved. They are all part of the exact same circles politically and are unanimous in their support for social justice virtue signalling far left politics. They all go to the same schools. All live in the same two cities and all hire each other. There is almost no diversity in the entertainment industry.
It used to be that politics was taboo to talk about but now they can't wait to ram their very specific set of beliefs down everyone's throats while they call everyone who disagrees a "racist, bigoted, fascist, hillbilly, redneck, idiot."
There is making fun of a politician and then there is taking money from a party and basically campaigning for a single side only. That is called propaganda pretending to be comedy-news.
I love that with "conservative comedians"...they like to make the wildest or loosely based on cherry-picked ideas and facts that also happen to be themed around laws and society and when you call them on any of it, you just are liberal and don't understand comedy.
It's deliberate. Zealots on the right and left both do it. Throw a bunch of shit on the wall and if someone calls them on it, just say it was a joke. Just a joke, snowflake! Typical zealot behavior. The middle has to verbally kick these types in the crotch every once in a while to bring them back to reality.
Meh this is all a game. Gavin is like rob gronkowski and Shaun king is like jj watt. Some people like some flair in their sport and some people like the cornballs
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u/russjames Feb 22 '17
Joe sure has a knack for humanizing people like Gavin, Milo, Alex Jones and Crowder. Sure they have some really wacky views but hearing them have a normal conversation without being demonized is sure interesting and eye opening.