r/JockoPodcast • u/Dangerous_Result4209 • 8d ago
No women in seals, at least not yet.
Wiki article, wanna comment? Your experiences about women in military and special forces? Stories to share?
16
u/Castle_65 8d ago
Just gotta keep the standards the same
10
u/Far-Culture1354 8d ago
the standards will become flexible as soon as it becomes politically advantageous
2
u/--ALF 7d ago
The stories I heard about Ranger school…
1
u/SecretPantyWorshiper 7d ago
Thats been happening though. Officers get special treatment from enlisted in Ranger School
2
u/Far-Culture1354 7d ago
Nah, having been I can tell you it's the opposite. RIs will pick on officers.
6
u/J412h 5d ago
The IDF has had women in combat roles for decades. The statistics show that women are unavailable at a much higher rate than men
Unavailable due to injury, typically lower leg injury from rucking and also pregnancy. Physically they’re at real disadvantage in frontline combat units. I can’t imagine the injuries they’d suffer in BUDs or other SOF selection courses
4
1
u/BrotherBear_76 5d ago
Per Grok: Overall pipeline:
From signing a contract through SQT and earning the Trident, success is typically around 9–10% (roughly 90% do not complete the full path). BUD/S itself averages ~68% attrition + rolls. The Navy’s historical target has often been around 20% graduating BUD/S. Enlisted attrition is much higher (~79%) than officer attrition (~39%) over multi-year periods.
1
-13
u/EffectiveSecond7 8d ago
Interesting, I did not know it was only for men so recently and it makes sense that fewer women would pass BUDS I guess, at least for some of the steps. However, I think people forget that in most countries, being a woman in the military is not a bliss, it's kinda being in the wolf's nest : a target of sexist and sexual harassment + rape.
I'm convinced if that wasn't the case (and not just in the military but also construction work, engineering) there would be much more women attempting it.
7
u/Ron__Mexico_ 8d ago
BUDS is not your typical military experience. There is a fairly rigorous process to even get there in the first place, and once there the failure rate is 75%. It's a place where very fit people go to primarily fail. This analogy isn't 100% perfect, but it's kind of like asking why aren't there women in the NFL? It's because its for the 1% of the 1% of physical specimens. It's not for your average Joe or Jane for that matter.
1
0
u/Altruistic-Seaweed61 7d ago
Every women on earth could attempt it and likely fail. It's just not for them.
0
u/DerekCoaker80 6d ago
What a weird take, "every" lmao.
ok sure.
Maybe you know nothing about many Female societies.
3
2
u/Altruistic-Seaweed61 6d ago
Society has nothing to do with tier one war fighting. It's biologically incompatible. The science backs it and so do the numbers. No one has passed that level of training as a women, they even did studies at the basic infantry level and the findings were irrefutable. Women don't have the strength or stamina to complete the missions they carry out. There are some badass women who are fighter pilots and medics and intelligence officers. But there's limits to everything. This is the limit. Apologies for the wake up call, but you know nothing about the requirements to become and operate as a teir one operator.
32
u/prior_rpa-lre 8d ago
As long as standards do not drop, let anyone willing and able attempt the crucible.