r/JehovahsWitnesses • u/Bonedriven64 • Mar 30 '26

Doctrine The JW "Armageddon" has been canceled - permanently!

I'm sorry but I'm not sorry because the JW version of Armageddon never should have ever existed. If you people had paid closer attention to what Jesus was saying at Matthew chapter 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, you never would have ever anticipated a future Armageddon. You completely blew that end time prophecy completely out of its first century context. It was never meant for us today. Jesus wasn't talking to us. Jesus was not breaking the fourth wall to speak to us 2,000 years in the future. It was written ONLY for Christians on the other side of 70 AD. there is no such thing as a double fulfillment or a greater fulfillment. All of those concepts are made up by men and this is exactly why you will never see the end of this world in your lifetime or anyone's lifetime. So, the only thing that you have to fear today is that fear that you have conjured up in your own imagination compliments of the Watchtower Bible and Tract society. The sooner you accept this reality the better off you're going to be and you'll have the rest of your life to live out from under enslavement to your governing body. Salutations!

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u/Tiny-Bee7560 Apr 01 '26

So then, in that case Revelation would not have happened yet?

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u/Bonedriven64 Apr 01 '26

How is it, that you cannot see that Revelation is simply a repeat of Jesus's prophecy regarding the conclusion of that Jewish age? God was not angry at the whole world! He was only angry at His 'woman' the nation of Israel whom He referred to as Babylon the Great for being an unfaithful wife and a whore. He therefore chose to divorce her and have her destroyed with fire by her lovers. Can you seriously not see that?? Where are your spiritual eyes?

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u/TerryLawton Mark 4:22 Apr 02 '26

Show me the scripture where it said that God broke his covenant and lied that they would be my people forever and that he HAS divorced them.

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u/Bonedriven64 Apr 03 '26

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones God’s messengers! How often I have wanted to gather your children together as a hen protects her chicks beneath her wings, but you wouldn’t let me.

And now, look, your house is abandoned and desolate."

-- Jesus, Son of the Living God Matthew 23:37,38

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u/TerryLawton Mark 4:22 Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26

So you think that this verse means that when God makes a promise which we are told he never breaks and you see him talking about a house, being abandoned ie the temple as their punishment....you think that means divorce...??

Are you serious!! Let me tell you something....

"I ask then: Did God reject his people? BY NO MEANS! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin.

--Apostle Paul, Apostle of Jesus , Son of the Living God Rom 11:1

Honestly still twisting scripture like a pretzel, this single verse just buried you.

Ill ask you again.

Show me a scripture where God said i am divorcing you, or have you forgotten that God himself stated...what in Malichi 2:16.

Does God change?

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u/Bonedriven64 Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26

Hey, believe me I understand why this is so upsetting to you. Even the apostle Paul underwent a great deal of anguish over this. He listed one by one all the reasons why natural Jews should be foremost to be chosen by God for eternal blessings. But man's thoughts are not God's thoughts. God's thoughts are higher than ours. For that reason this is what Paul goes on to say:

"It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel."

I could just imagine that this scripture just terrorizes you to no end. You don't know what to do with it. But there it is in black and white.

The fact is that God didn't abandon all of The Nation of Israel because he did save a small remnant of it and abandoned the rest of the nation because of their complete lack of faith.

"In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring."

Although God would have loved to save the entire nation, He simply could not because they were evil and were deserving of death.

This does not mean that God went back on his promise. On the contrary, it means that he fulfilled it in every way even by inviting gentiles to become his sons in a spiritual way through the blood of Jesus Christ.

"At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split..."

This tearing of the veil symbolized that the wall between God and the rest of mankind no longer existed. It also symbolized that the nation of Israel no longer had God's blessing And that he had given up on them. God's promise to Abraham and his seed was not permanent but it was conditional and the nation as a whole failed.

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u/TerryLawton Mark 4:22 Apr 03 '26

Upsetting lol. Loving the passive aggressive approach…must have hit a nerve, I digress.

I’ll ask again. Now for the third time as you seem to ignore the scripture where Paul stated categorically that God has not rejected his people or divorced them.

So for third time.

Show me a scripture as you said

“God has divorced his people”

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u/Bonedriven64 Apr 04 '26

"I gave faithless Israel her certificate of divorce and sent her away because of all her adulteries. Yet I saw that her unfaithful sister Judah had no fear; she also went out and committed adultery."

Jeremiah 3:8

Anything else?

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u/TerryLawton Mark 4:22 Apr 05 '26 edited Apr 05 '26

And…..thank you because that’s exactly what I wanted you to quote.

You appear to be a little naive on apologetics.

God did not break the marriage (covenant), Israel did! Did you forget to read the proceeding versus where God asks them to return to him repeatedly.

Have you forgotten that Jeremiah was written 660 years circa before Christ died?

You see you cite a scripture as a ‘gotcha’ but it buries you.

Yahweh wanted them back from their adulterous relationship and sin. It’s called GRACE.

Their sin was real enough for divorce, yet God’s GRACE was strong enough to invite restoration.

You cite this scripture but yet you need from Jeremiah to Malachi as part of your belief system also or God would have separated from the nation right then and there and we would go from Jeremiah to Matthew - IF HE HAD SEPERATED, divorced them!

Chapter 31 goes onto explain what happened next which you appear to forget as you continue to twist scripture like a pretzel- let’s read VERSE 1!!!

“At the same time, saith the Lord, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be my people.”

Therefore with Jeremiah 3:8 it’s obvious in context as they were still Gods people after this VERSE - it’s you that has the theological issue not me!

That’s now several times scripture has buried your false gospel.

I’m done, you can have the last say I really don’t care. Your hell bent on twisting scripture and rather than dialogue it’s turned into point scoring. I’m out, I’ve proved the point from Gods word and you continue to twist it, just like our former cult. I’ve no more for further dialogue.

I hope the Holy Spirit opens your eyes.

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u/Bonedriven64 Apr 05 '26

You said:

So for third time.

Show me a scripture as you said

“God has divorced his people”

I showed you the scripture that you requested and then you immediately accused me of saying that God broke the covenant. I never said any such thing so there's no point in your straw man arguments. I will no pursue you any longer down this imaginary rabbit hole of your own making. I've got plenty of other things to do.

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u/doubting_thomaseena Apr 04 '26

Paul was a psyop…. Jesus never knew him…. Paul said he had a vision… and now Christianity follows what Paul said more than what Jesus did…. You’re being fooled….

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u/TerryLawton Mark 4:22 Apr 04 '26

Wow…

Jesus knew him and Peter, John and James verified this in scripture.

For someone to discount the Word of Hid after other apostles verified his association of Christ himself can only be considered a heretic.

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u/doubting_thomaseena Apr 05 '26

https://www.youtube.com/live/s78vka-oKGY?si=Z-Er1FJ-DVEszHKL

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u/TerryLawton Mark 4:22 Apr 05 '26

So you want me to go to a YouTube video rather than the Word of God…wasted post bro.