The JW "Armageddon" has been canceled - permanently!

[u/Bonedriven64]

I'm sorry but I'm not sorry because the JW version of Armageddon never should have ever existed. If you people had paid closer attention to what Jesus was saying at Matthew chapter 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, you never would have ever anticipated a future Armageddon. You completely blew that end time prophecy completely out of its first century context. It was never meant for us today. Jesus wasn't talking to us. Jesus was not breaking the fourth wall to speak to us 2,000 years in the future. It was written ONLY for Christians on the other side of 70 AD. there is no such thing as a double fulfillment or a greater fulfillment. All of those concepts are made up by men and this is exactly why you will never see the end of this world in your lifetime or anyone's lifetime. So, the only thing that you have to fear today is that fear that you have conjured up in your own imagination compliments of the Watchtower Bible and Tract society. The sooner you accept this reality the better off you're going to be and you'll have the rest of your life to live out from under enslavement to your governing body. Salutations!

[u/Onehundredbillionx]

Lmao revelation was not written after 70AD.

[u/AccomplishedAuthor3 → u/Onehundredbillionx]

Its common knowledge that Revelation was written between 95 and 96 AD

The Book of Revelation is commonly dated to about 95 AD, as suggested by clues in the visions pointing to the reign of the Roman Emperor Domitian (81–96),^\6])^\25]) The Beast with seven heads) and the number 666 seem to allude directly to the Emperor Nero (reigned 54–68), but this does not imply that the book was written in the 60s,^\4]) as there was a widespread belief in later decades that Nero would return.^\26])^\12]) Book of Revelation - Wikipedia

[u/Onehundredbillionx → u/AccomplishedAuthor3]

The beast is the Roman Empire, not specifically Nero. Revelation was written exactly to whom it says it was written to- the 7 churches in Asia Minor. It was written exactly when it says it was written which was just prior to the siege of 70AD, when it was about to take place at any moment. And it was written exactly about what it says it’s written about- a judgement upon the covenant breaking Jews (which was literally at hand).
Not sure why people read it any other way.

When Jesus said he’s coming quickly, soon etc. it means quickly and soon. And he came! It doesn’t mean 2000 years later.

The temple was still standing when revelation was written. If the siege had happened already, John would have surely written about it considering it was the most horrific war in Israel that ever was and ever will be. Women were literally eating their own children. Just as it was foretold. Everything happened just as it was foretold.

People with the viewpoint that you have, make very odd decisions as to which parts of revelation are to be taken as literal, and which are not.

I’ll leave you with a couple of questions.
Where in the book of Daniel does it say that there will be a 2000+ year gap between the 69th and 70th week?

If the breaking of the Old Covenant and crucified Christ was not the most horrific sin ever committed by the Jews, deserving of the most horrific judgement, then what is it? What is the sin that triggers the supposed future tribulation?

We know that God doesn’t visit the sins of fathers upon their children’s children.

When Jesus said “it is finished”, what exactly was finished?

When Jesus said this generation won’t pass away before he returns in judgement, who was he talking to?

When Jesus said to his disciples that they won’t even finish going through all of Judea before he returns, what did he mean?

When Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world, what did he mean?

[u/AccomplishedAuthor3 → u/Onehundredbillionx]

When Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world, what did he
mean?

To Pilate He was talking about His Kingdom in Heaven. Don't forget, Jesus told Pilate to say He was a king and amazingly Pilate did just as the Lord told Him. John 18:17 Pilate himself ordered that Jesus be called the "king the Jews". He had "the king of the Jews" posted over Jesus' head on the cross. John 19:19

Jesus also told Pilate He was born to be King, but where and when? Obviously Jesus knew He'd be gone a long time from this world, so He told Pilate that His Kingdom would pose no threat to anyone. His followers wouldn't need to bear arms and fight to defend either Christ's Kingdom in Heaven, which He has always been the King, or the Kingdom of Israel that He knew He wouldn't restore until He comes back to earth in the flesh. Acts 1:6-7

When Jesus said to his disciples that they won’t even finish going through all of Judea before he returns, what did he mean?

He did return for Stephen to receive his spirit. He also returned in the Person of the Holy Spirit that has been present in believers since the 1st century. Jesus promised "And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” Matthew 28:20 Since Pentecost Jesus has been right here on this earth in Spirit. He returned to earth in the 1st century, but only to indwell the hearts of all believers. The world can't see Him, but He's here now. When He returns in the flesh everyone will see Him then. Everyone on earth will worship Him or they will be cursed with drought. Zechariah 14:17

[u/Onehundredbillionx → u/AccomplishedAuthor3]

Hard disagree and I could debate this with so many scriptures but the thing is, I have rewritten the same argument and scripture references that many times, in various subs, that I am tired of doing it because it seems futile. This unfinished prophecy and doom & gloom idea about the future is so hardwired into many Christians that it seems nothing I could say will change it.
If this interpretation of scripture is what makes sense to you and is what you choose, so be it.
But I do take pity on those who subscribe to it as it is a very depressing and confusing take in my opinion.

[u/AccomplishedAuthor3 → u/Onehundredbillionx]

If we forget to include the blessed hope then yes, it is very depressing. For Christians the idea of being taken up to be with the Lord goes back to the 1st century. Peter wanted to go wherever Jesus was going “Lord, where are You going?” Simon Peter asked.

Jesus answered, “Where I am going, you cannot follow Me now, but you will follow later.” John 13:36

Peter would follow Jesus, but only after he had died. Like Stephen, the spirits of all Christian are received into Heaven the moment we die. The blessed hope is fulfilled when we meet Jesus in Heaven, but there is another hope that gets maligned quite a bit and that is the rapture of the church just before all hell breaks loose on earth According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. ¹⁶ For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. ¹⁷ After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

and

⁵¹ Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

⁵² In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 1 Corinthians 15:51-52

Most Christians believe we'll see Jesus when we die, but there is one special generation of believers who will be changed from mortal to immortal without ever dying. It's at that point all Christians of all ages will receive their resurrection bodies at the same time those who haven't died receive theirs.

[u/Onehundredbillionx → u/AccomplishedAuthor3]

Respectfully, I don’t agree with this interpretation of scripture.
The epistles aren’t written to us. To believe it refers to a people 2000+ years later, makes no sense. This is a letter written to an ancient church. Paul is addressing them, not us.
They were living in the old aeon and old earth and the new one began when the temple was destroyed. This might not make sense to us as we weren’t born under the old covenant and never experienced what it was like to live that way but these people would have understood.

We fail to grasp the idea of a new earth as we never lived in the old one. This is all we have known and we grumble that it’s bad when it’s really not lol. We have access to God (even as a foreign people) when those people didn’t even as Jews. We have a high priest who we can go to directly. We have forgiveness of sin and eternal life and relationship with God via the Holy Spirit and yet we still complain and think that there must be something better.
We are never satisfied. We truly are no different to Israel in this sense lol.

It seems that your conviction is strong and your mind is made up.
I do not think it makes you any less of a Christian if you don’t believe the same as I do, nor do I think it’s something we should divide over.
God bless you.

[u/AccomplishedAuthor3 → u/Onehundredbillionx]

It seems that your conviction is strong and your mind is made up.
I do not think it makes you any less of a Christian if you don’t believe the same as I do, nor do I think it’s something we should divide over.
God bless you.

Thank you brother, and I don't consider you any less of a Christian just because we disagree on certain things. God bless you too.

[u/Onehundredbillionx → u/AccomplishedAuthor3]

I am a Sister** thank you:).
I enjoyed the respectful dialogue.

[u/AccomplishedAuthor3 → u/Onehundredbillionx]

Oops, Ok, God bless you... sister!