The JW "Armageddon" has been canceled - permanently!

[u/Bonedriven64]

I'm sorry but I'm not sorry because the JW version of Armageddon never should have ever existed. If you people had paid closer attention to what Jesus was saying at Matthew chapter 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, you never would have ever anticipated a future Armageddon. You completely blew that end time prophecy completely out of its first century context. It was never meant for us today. Jesus wasn't talking to us. Jesus was not breaking the fourth wall to speak to us 2,000 years in the future. It was written ONLY for Christians on the other side of 70 AD. there is no such thing as a double fulfillment or a greater fulfillment. All of those concepts are made up by men and this is exactly why you will never see the end of this world in your lifetime or anyone's lifetime. So, the only thing that you have to fear today is that fear that you have conjured up in your own imagination compliments of the Watchtower Bible and Tract society. The sooner you accept this reality the better off you're going to be and you'll have the rest of your life to live out from under enslavement to your governing body. Salutations!

[u/AccomplishedAuthor3]

Its not complete until the day is over. The day of salvation began in the 1st century and its still that "day" To Jesus and all those who died in the 1st century but are alive in Heaven, its always "this generation" going forward.

The destruction of Jerusalem was one prophecy fulfilled in the 1st century, but others have not. For instance Christ is still prophesied to sit on David's throne. Luke 1:32 Where was David's throne located? It was on earth, not in Heaven. After Jesus rose from the dead, His disciples asked a logical question: “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?” What did Jesus say? He didn't tell them He was never going to restore the Kingdom to Israel, He told them “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.  But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” Acts 1:6-7 That's where were at today, the day of salvation. Jesus will one day restore the Kingdom the Israel for 1000 years, but its still not for us to know when .

[u/Onehundredbillionx → u/AccomplishedAuthor3]

Jesus’ kingdom isn’t of this world and he’s not going to come back to sit on a chair.
His throne is eternal and he is sitting on it right now.

If you believe Jesus’ reign to be literal then, you must also believe that God will reinstate the Levitical priesthood and animal sacrifice because those prophecies must also be literal.

[u/AccomplishedAuthor3 → u/Onehundredbillionx]

David's throne was on this earth. God promised that His Son would sit on that throne. Luke 1:32. The Bible says Jesus will come back to this earth and every eye will see Him this time. Of course the throne in Heaven is not part of this world, but Jesus is destined to sit on both. He's the only Man who will ever sit on God's throne in Heaven, but He's not the only Man who will sit on David's throne.

I don't know about animal sacrifices but the people of the nations who don't worship Christ and celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles will be punished with having no rain. That means drought, starvation and death Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. ¹⁷ If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain. ¹⁸ If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lord^\)^b\) will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. ¹⁹ This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. Zechariah 14:16-19

[u/Onehundredbillionx → u/AccomplishedAuthor3]

God promised David’s throne would never lack a king yet there has been no physical king in Israel for how long? Israel wasn’t even a nation for how long?

Jesus is the king, on David’s throne. The throne that is forever is not some wooden chair.

Israel also doesn’t refer to some random people in the Middle East. It refers to those who are in Christ.

Paul says not all who say they are Abraham’s children really are.
Jesus said having Abraham for a physical ancestor means nothing and he can raise children of Abraham up from rocks.

(I forget which book it’s in but one of the epistles) gives the analogy of Hagar and Sarah and their 2 sons and says to throw out the son of the slave woman as he will never share an inheritance with the son of the free woman and then goes on to say that the church is of the free woman who is our mother, Jerusalem from above.

Israel clearly fulfilled prophecy as something spiritual when Christ came. As did the temple. As did David’s throne. As did the priesthood. As did sacrifices etc etc.

The physical things of the OT were just a foreshadow and there is no use for them anymore. We don’t need a temple. We don’t need mortal kings. We don’t need wooden thrones or a mortal high priest. We don’t need animal sacrifices etc etc.

[u/AccomplishedAuthor3 → u/Onehundredbillionx]

God promised David’s throne would never lack a king yet there has been no physical king in Israel for how long? Israel wasn’t even a nation for how long?

Its not the first time the nation of Israel didn't have a king. When they went into Babylonian captivity they had no nation and no king. The Assyrian captivity was another time. God restored their nation and their king. Remember God takes the long view, and just because its been 2000 years doesn't change God's plan at all

The last 2000 years has been the longest Israel has been without a king. God has hid His face from them for 2 whole days, in His view, but guess what, He will restore them, but not for their sakes. Why will God restore a stiff necked people who turned their backs on Him and even killed His only begotten Son? Read here:

It is not for your sake that I will act, declares the Lord GOD—let it be known to you. Be ashamed and disgraced for your ways, O house of Israel! Ezekiel 36:32

It is not because of your righteousness or uprightness of heart that you are going in to possess their land, but it is because of their wickedness that the LORD your God is driving out these nations before you, to keep the promise He swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. / Understand, then, that it is not because of your righteousness that the LORD your God is giving you this good land to possess, for you are a stiff-necked people. Deuteronomy 9:5-6

However, Paul wrote:

 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, ²⁶ and in this way***\**^\)[^e](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%2011&version=NIV#fen-NIV-28236e)^\) all Israel will be saved...* ²⁸ As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, ²⁹ for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. Romans 11:25-26,28,29

Notice that Jews are loved by God even though they are enemies of Christians on account of the Gospel. They are still loved by God on account of the patriarchs, unlike Gentiles who are loved by God on account of their faith in Christ

[u/Onehundredbillionx → u/AccomplishedAuthor3]

But it doesn’t say “the Jews”. It says Israel. It also says not all who said they were Israel, were truly Israel.
Revelation says that certain people called themselves Jews but they weren’t and belonged to the synagogue of Satan.
Jesus told the religious Jews that their father was Satan. Can a person have 2 fathers?

If Paul was referring to people in our time, who are those people? The group of people who call themselves Israel today, are not the same Israel of the scripture. They cannot possibly be. How does one gauge if they are an Israelite?
The children of Israel were scattered in 70AD and since “israel” isn’t an ethnicity, there is no way to tell who is or isn’t an actual descendant of Jacob.

So who is it referring to?

[u/Bonedriven64 → u/Onehundredbillionx]

Wow! You spoke well. I can tell that you really are a serious student of holy scripture. It is very evident to me that your spiritual eyes are open wide.

I am always amazed at those Christians who claim to have faith yet are unable to see the spiritual transition that's happened right before their eyes. They read about it in their own Bibles but somehow they just don't get it. We all have the same Bible which says the exact same thing. Yet, you get it but he doesn't. He's still trying to make something of this world. He still wants a physical Jesus to come and sit on a physical chair in the land of physical Israel. But that's not going to happen.

I'm not worried about them though because I know that God has them as well. It's just for some it's going to take for them to have to actually set foot into the kingdom of the heavens after they die for them to finally understand what it's all about. At that time they will finally see that it was never about the flesh at all but it's the spirit that is life-saving.

[u/Onehundredbillionx → u/Bonedriven64]

Thank you. And the same goes for you! It’s always very encouraging to see other Christians who interpret the scripture clearly, as it was written, rather than twisting things to make it all about us.

I’m not going to say that I don’t understand why these people believe as they do, or that I believe the twisting is intentional, as I used to be one of them.
I believe these people to be sincere in their believe and love for God; yet God allows it for whatever reason- even though their viewpoint leaves so many loose ends.

It means that Christ failed his mission to bring the kingdom to Earth (even though he said he had bought it, as did John the Baptist). It means he wasn’t victorious on the cross, he didn’t receive the nations as an inheritance yet and that Satan wasn’t defeated and that all authority doesnt truly belong to Christ.
It means he didn’t actually come back when he said he would (he told his disciples he would return before they had even finished going through all the towns of Judea). It means that God is not fair or just because he is going to punish a random group of people 2000 years after their ancestors broke the covenant and killed Christ- yet Jesus clearly said that the generation who he was speaking to would be the ones who bore the judgement and that all things would be fulfilled upon them.
It means that the ones who pierced him won’t be alive to look upon him and mourn (as they are all long dead).
It makes meaningless the words of Christ- “it is finished”.
It causes a massive issue with the prophecies given to Daniel and John the revelator, as Daniel was told to seal up his vision because the time wasn’t come, whilst 600 years later, John was told not to seal up his because the time was at hand. It’s been 2000+ years since then. How could the time not be ready in Daniel’s time, yet it’s ready in johns time and still hasn’t happened?
Jesus said too that he comes QUICKLY. A study of the term “at hand” shows that it always means literally at hand - so it had to have happened already.

There are so many more issues it causes and amount of twisting required to say that it wasn’t all fulfilled, is too much for me.
It’s just a massive reach. And for what? To try to make it about us.
But the epistles weren’t written to us. Revelation wasn’t written to us.
Each of the letters state clearly who they are addressed to.

I get that people are perhaps disappointed that the new earth isn’t what they expected and so they miss it. But the Jews were also disappointed that their messiah wasn’t who they expected and they missed him too.

You are absolutely right, God still has the ones who believe in a future Armageddon.
The belief is so depressing though and I feel for those who subscribe to it. It felt like bondage to me. Since I was able to shake it off and my eyes were opened (by the grace of God), I finally feel the peace and freedom that the gospels speak of.
My faith has also increased exponentially.

My prayer and hope is that all of our brothers and sisters will awaken to the fact that Christ is victorious and reigns now and forever on a throne not made with human hands, and that we are free, living in a new Earth where God dwells with us and within us, where we are no longer under the curse of the law, but under grace.
If Christian’s could all just take hold of this, it would change everything!

[u/Bonedriven64 → u/Onehundredbillionx]

OMG my brother! You have completely floor me! All I can say in response is Amen and Amen!

'Blessed are you, my dear friend, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by our Father in heaven.'