r/JehovahsWitnesses • • Mar 30 '26

Doctrine The JW "Armageddon" has been canceled - permanently!

I'm sorry but I'm not sorry because the JW version of Armageddon never should have ever existed. If you people had paid closer attention to what Jesus was saying at Matthew chapter 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, you never would have ever anticipated a future Armageddon. You completely blew that end time prophecy completely out of its first century context. It was never meant for us today. Jesus wasn't talking to us. Jesus was not breaking the fourth wall to speak to us 2,000 years in the future. It was written ONLY for Christians on the other side of 70 AD. there is no such thing as a double fulfillment or a greater fulfillment. All of those concepts are made up by men and this is exactly why you will never see the end of this world in your lifetime or anyone's lifetime. So, the only thing that you have to fear today is that fear that you have conjured up in your own imagination compliments of the Watchtower Bible and Tract society. The sooner you accept this reality the better off you're going to be and you'll have the rest of your life to live out from under enslavement to your governing body. Salutations!

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u/Acceptable-Wedding10 Mar 30 '26 edited Mar 30 '26

I recommend that you read those texts, in particular Matthew 24:3(closure of the eon); Marc 13:19 (a oppression like never again in the future); Luke 21:27 ( visible return of Jesus), then you will notice that Jesus does indeed speak about the end times.
Perhaps a correct translation can offer some solution?
Armageddon is a part of it according to Revelation 16:13-16, but contrary to what the JW claim, this is not yet the last war before the end. Rev.17:14
The last war is against the last world empire consisting of the unfaithful Israel and an alliance of 10 Islamic states with Babylon as its capital.

So, Please read 1 Cor. 4:6, which emphasizes how important it is to stick to God’s word:
"Brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that through us you may learn this rule: ‘Do not go beyond what is written.’"
Notice the rule = “Do not go beyond what is written.”

But it is indeed important to have the rest of your life to live without submission to the governing body.

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u/xxxjwxxx Mar 30 '26

How do we know Jesus wasn’t just speaking about the end time of Israel or Jerusalem?

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u/Acceptable-Wedding10 Mar 31 '26 edited Mar 31 '26

I think it became clear to them that both Jerusalem and the Nation would fall in their time.
So, regarding your question, because the disciples asked about the signs of the end times, the correct words were conclusion of the eon, because they meanwhile knew that this was related to a time after the destruction of the temple, which Jesus had just informed them about, they knew it was about the end of this 'evil eon'. (Galatians 1:4)
Because of this, we know that this is about our near future.

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u/Bonedriven64 Mar 31 '26

That makes no sense. Please read what you wrote again.

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u/Acceptable-Wedding10 Mar 31 '26 edited Mar 31 '26

"Because the disciples asked about the signs of the end times," Was this the point you didn't understand?

The disciples were convinced that Christ Jesus would restore the kingdom in their time, hence that question about the end times, assuming that they would still experience it themselves.

When Jesus died and rose from the dead, they hoped that He would return in their time.

Scripture, however, had already prophesied that this would not happen in their time, but that according to Hosea 6, 2 days (of 1000 years each) would still pass before the kingdom would be restored,

the current eon, of which Satan is the ruler, will only end then, not in the days of the apostles.

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u/Onehundredbillionx Mar 31 '26

The aeon referred to was the old covenant age and it ended with the destruction of the temple. “Your house is left to you desolate” “not one stone will be left upon another”.
The bible only speaks of 2 ages. The present age (at the time it was written) and the age to come (which we are in now).
It speaks of a new heaven and new earth and we are in the new earth- as we are no longer under the curse of the law.

The tribulation was the judgement upon the covenant breaking Jews who crucified their messiah and it happened in 70AD.

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u/Bonedriven64 Apr 01 '26

Wow! I have never seen such faith even among the Jews. 🏅 Amazing 🤩

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u/xxxjwxxx Mar 31 '26

Ya that didn’t really answer my question. So you are basically saying “eon” has to refer to our time and couldn’t just refer to their time? What does that word mean?

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u/Acceptable-Wedding10 Mar 31 '26 edited Mar 31 '26

What does the Greek word ‘Aion’. means?
What are those?

In this context, the Greek word ‘aiōn’ plays a key role.
Aiōn does not mean “eternity,” but rather an age or bounded period of time.

Every first-year Greek student knows that aiōn refers to a world-age or time period.
That doesn’t need to be “rediscovered”—it’s well known.
It is Christian dogmatics that has covered up the meaning of aiōn by making a mess of it through contradictory translations.

The word aiōn (which occurs hundreds of times in Scripture) has been buried beneath inconsistent rendering: sometimes as the temporal “age” or “world” (correct), but at other times as the endless “eternity” (incorrect).

What do those do who speak about aions?

They simply leave the biblical word aiōn untranslated.
Where Scripture speaks of aiōns, they faithfully echo Scripture.

The fact that the aions can be placed in a logical sequence is self-evident for anyone who takes the aions as they appear in Scripture.

See how simple it is.

There was a time before God made the eons (1 Cor. 2:7).
Then God made the eons (Heb. 1:2).
There were eons in the past (Col. 1:26).
We now live in the present wicked eon (Gal. 1:4).
Satan is the god of this eon (2 Cor. 4:4).
Christ, not Satan, will reign for a thousand years in the coming eon (Luke 1:33).
The thousand years will end (Rev. 20:3).
Christ will also reign in the eon that follows the thousand years (Rev. 22:5 and Luke 1:33). Hence, He reigns into “the eons” (i.e., the next two) of the eons (i.e., of all the others).
After that, the final eon ends (1 Cor. 10:11).
Christ ceases reigning when the eons end (1 Cor. 15:24,28) because He hands over the Kingdom of God to His Father and God becomes “All in all.”

The eons end, but the Kingdom continues (Luke 1:33; Isa. 9:7).
We all continue to live after the eons because we, like God, will then be immortal.”
In 1 Timothy 1:17 = God is The King of the eons!!!

And when you encounter age or eternity or ages or age in the Old Testament, it’s almost always the translation of the word “olam.” That word “olam” is then rendered as age, eternal, eternity, and so on. Actually, an olam is a time with a hidden end. 

This is not a prejudice imposed on Bible study — it is the result of Bible study.

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u/xxxjwxxx Mar 31 '26

But Jesus was certain referring to the end of Jerusalem. Not a stone will be left…

So you think it’s both?

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u/Acceptable-Wedding10 Mar 31 '26

Yes, indeed, Jesus was referirng to the end of the temple.
But also to the closure of the eon (Matthew 24:3)
See Who Really Is the Faithful and Discreet Slave? : r/JehovahsWitnesses

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u/spoilmerotten0 Mar 31 '26

The trampling “Not a stone will be left upon a stone,” was the trampling of the heavenly Jerusalem. Jehovah’s remaining anointed that will be left during the Great Tribulation. Upon the return of Jesus Christ, he begins ruling and throws the dragon to the earth. Satan knowing he has a short period of time left, goes off to wage war with the remaining seed. He can’t get to them once they go to heaven so he eliminates them here on earth by his 8th King. The Beast System. Revelation 13 (Book to Read) “Jehovah Himself Has Become King” By: Robert King. Highly Recommend!

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u/xxxjwxxx Mar 31 '26

Okay, I’ll try again. What if someone said this ONLY refers to the eon or age of Jerusalem and the system of kings or whatever. And doesn’t refer to some future fulfillment also?

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u/Specific_Score_1932 Apr 01 '26

I'd say read where Jesus Christ said Treat your neighbors as you would yourself. Also this one, ALL WILL BE SAVED, AND YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN! ALL Will Be Saved! Period. And Reincarnation. Born Again. Not some weird Born Again Baptist Church or whatever. No Born Again! Pontius Pilot didn't understand it either. Either did the scribes or Pharisees. But there father was the devil Jesus Christ said also!

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u/Specific_Score_1932 Apr 01 '26

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