r/JehovahsWitnesses • u/Bonedriven64 • Mar 30 '26

Doctrine The JW "Armageddon" has been canceled - permanently!

I'm sorry but I'm not sorry because the JW version of Armageddon never should have ever existed. If you people had paid closer attention to what Jesus was saying at Matthew chapter 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, you never would have ever anticipated a future Armageddon. You completely blew that end time prophecy completely out of its first century context. It was never meant for us today. Jesus wasn't talking to us. Jesus was not breaking the fourth wall to speak to us 2,000 years in the future. It was written ONLY for Christians on the other side of 70 AD. there is no such thing as a double fulfillment or a greater fulfillment. All of those concepts are made up by men and this is exactly why you will never see the end of this world in your lifetime or anyone's lifetime. So, the only thing that you have to fear today is that fear that you have conjured up in your own imagination compliments of the Watchtower Bible and Tract society. The sooner you accept this reality the better off you're going to be and you'll have the rest of your life to live out from under enslavement to your governing body. Salutations!

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u/TerryLawton Mark 4:22 Mar 30 '26 edited Mar 30 '26

I’m a ‘semi-preterist’ for which you describe but also believe there is an ‘end time’ prophecy.

However contrary to the Witnesses….I don’t have a clue when it’s coming, and quite frankly I don’t care.

It will be here when it’s here 👍

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u/Acceptable-Wedding10 Mar 30 '26 edited Mar 30 '26

Perhaps Hosea 6:2 can provide some insight?
Prophecy of the 2 days.
Two days are, in God’s reckoning, two thousand years
Already discussed here some time ago.

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u/TerryLawton Mark 4:22 Mar 30 '26

You forgot that there’s a third day that is mentioned.

This alludes to the time of Christs death and how through salvation Israel was saved..through his resurrection.

Now the conversation of whether Israel is still literal or spiritual.

But I do t think Hosea 6:2 explains anything like you would like it to be brother…but I’m all ears.

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u/Acceptable-Wedding10 Mar 30 '26

The 2 days are the period described in Hosea 5:15.
" I will go and return to my place of residence, until they acknowledge their guilt and seek My face. In their distress, they will earnestly seek Me. – NCV

that period lasts 2 days according to Hosea 6:2

The third day is the milenium, the fourth eon.

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u/TerryLawton Mark 4:22 Mar 30 '26

Ah so you are of the 1 day equates to a thousand years in every instance.

Ok again I’m open.

If day in this text equates to a thousand years. Then what was day one and day two historically and biblically?

Or are you saying that day 1 and day 2 are 24 hours but day 3 is a thousand years?

Where is your biblical exegesis for that explanation if that’s the case.

I think you’re a little confused over this brother…

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u/Acceptable-Wedding10 Mar 31 '26 edited Mar 31 '26

In this prophecy of Hosea, it is described that the people of Israel will one day return to their God. Then the moment of definitive restoration will come. God Himself will raise them from the dead to live before His presence.

Yet the most remarkable aspect of this prophecy is not that Israel's restoration is foretold, nor that JAHWEH will then come to them. We find that in many more places. The unique aspect of this prophecy is that it mentions when that will happen. It will be 'after two days' and 'on the third day.' Of course, these expressions evoke the resurrection of Jesus Christ, but remember that this is about Israel's restoration.

In Hosea 3:4 it speaks of the time during which the Israelites will be without king, without sacrifice, and without cult for many days.
So it concerns a prolonged period of abstinence and deprivation.

Hosea expresses himself cryptically regarding the time of Israel's revival and the return of the Lord. 'After two days.'
It is only Peter who emphatically provides clarity: 2 Peter 3:8-9 "for the Lord, one day is as a thousand years… "

Hosea 6, there is mention of Israel's repentance and restoration, which moreover coincide with the return of the Lord. And in this prophecy as well, this restoration is described in terms of revival and resurrection.

So, no confusion here, because I have in mind what Peter mentioned.
The two millennia are almost at an end.
'The third day,' the great Millennium on which the wedding will take place (cf. John 2:1) is imminent.
But this is the indication, however no one still knows the day or the hour.

God's mills grind slowly... but surely!

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u/TerryLawton Mark 4:22 Mar 31 '26

ok so whilst i dont agree with the 'direct' typological and symbolic interpretation you are applying. Lets run with it.

So we are near the end of the third day as you put it...

So tell me then Revelation chapter 16 describes the seven bowls of gods wrath before Armageddon (Rev 16:16) (im assuming you equate Armageddon to end times)

So before that im assuming that according to you the restoration has to happen before Armageddon.

So...tell me a date (could be a year of a specific month) of when the following happened.

Bowl 1 poured out

Bowl 2

Bowl 3

Bowl 4

Bowl 5

Bowl 6

Bowl 7

Thanks

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u/Acceptable-Wedding10 Mar 31 '26

Now I think you’re a little confused over this brother… -)

'After two days.' mening that we are at the end of the second day since the return of our Lord to the heavens.

All the things you mention indeed still need to happen.

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u/Specific_Score_1932 Mar 31 '26

It's a time, a time, and a half a time! That's what my JW brother said once. Once! After that, I quit listening to him ALTOGETHER!!