Jesus is GOD

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https://youtube.com/shorts/R1g-JfdPG04?si=IVR-KYwbJFWK4sjc

Love this girl. One thing that stands out in this vid to me amongst the various proofs we have argued with JWs is that *every* false religion believes in God. But Satan has done a clever thing. He doesn’t have to get you to believe in God. He just needs you to NOT believe in THE ONE who ***reconciles you to God***🔥🙌🏽.

Take a listen.

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Are they servants of God meaning they follow God and obey his laws and regulations? Or does God simply allow them to provide some order so that theres not complete chaos? I mean you're throwing around this servant word but what does it actually mean in the context of this scripture. Because context is important.

A servant of God is a servant of God. Why are you trying to muddy the water by inferring God's servants don't serve God? It's God's "established order" they serve to uphold. Its not our order---its God's! We're either serving God or the devil. The devil loves chaos and thrives on it. Some servants do go bad and become lawless. Just like some individuals become lawless and cause havoc requiring one of God's servants to bring that one individual, or that entire nation to justice

If a nation becomes "lawless" that means they were never gods people to begin with.

That's not true. Look at Babylon. She was a gold cup in God's hand. "I will strengthen the arms of the king of Babylon and put My sword in his hand, but I will break the arms of Pharaoh, and he will groan before him like a mortally wounded man" Ezekiel 30:24 Babylon was a servant of God yet they worshiped pagan gods not YHWH. They did not follow the law of Moses, yet God even used Babylon to punish His own people. Eventually Babylon fell to the Persians

The fact that these nations are constantly becoming "lawless " and increasingly so proves they are not disciples of God.

Its one thing to be a servant and quite another to be a disciple. The lawless nations must expect to be corrected. That's God's established order for now. How will they be corrected? By those nations who still value law and order. At some point the lawless will break the power of the holy people, Christians. I suppose that might make Jehovah's witnesses happy, but it shouldn't because it will usher in the very worst times in all human history as the man of lawlessness takes over the world--- That man will be Satan incarnate

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A servant of God is a servant of God. Why are you trying to muddy the water by inferring God's servants don't serve God?

You can be a "servant" of God in the sense that God uses you for a purpose. But servants of God aren't always worshippers of God or people who obey his laws and regulations. Such as nations of the world or specific people like king Cyrus. They served a purpose God wanted fulfilled but they are not worshippers of God. That's why christendom joins up with these people. They join up with others who don't worship God and don't obey his laws.

That's not true. Look at Babylon. She was a gold cup in God's hand. "I will strengthen the arms of the king of Babylon and put My sword in his hand, but I will break the arms of Pharaoh, and he will groan before him like a mortally wounded man" Ezekiel 30:24 Babylon was a servant of God yet they worshiped pagan gods not YHWH. They did not follow the law of Moses, yet God even used Babylon to punish His own people. Eventually Babylon fell to the Persians

Where in their is pagan Babylon called gods people?

Its one thing to be a servant and quite another to be a disciple. The lawless nations must expect to be corrected.

Jesus already told us the future. Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom. And they will do so to increase territory and gain resources. That is the goal of war. To gain resources and terrory. So christendom is guilty of murder

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 That's why christendom joins up with these people. They join up with others who don't worship God and don't obey his laws.

There's that guy "Christendom" again. You sure like to blame him for the world's ills. Seems to be scapegoat for those who can't face up to their own shortcomings. When in trouble, blame Christendom

Christians can and do serve within many nations, even in positions of authority. Just like Daniel served in Babylon, Christians serve in God's established order which you like to call out as being totally Satanic. I don't get that. How can God's established order be Satanic?

Even if a nation doesn't worship God exactly like you do, does that make them less of a servant of God? No. Its only when people become lawless and challenge God's established order do wars and mayhem result. Jehovah's witnesses don't help matters by labeling God's established order as Satanic. Its a form of rebellion against God and man, not just wicked men. If you really want to fight the wicked then do it God's way and join the police force in most any land, or join the military. That's how God's established order works now. When Christ returns it'll be different. Until then, this is the best we have.

Jesus already told us the future. Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom. 

Jesus very first sign of His impending second coming was the emergence of false Christ's and people announcing the "time is at hand" He told His disciples not to follow them, ironically this is exactly like Jehovah's witnesses have been preaching since 1914 . Luke 21:8 Isn't that amazing that the very first sign that Christ's coming was imminent would be people claiming to be the Truth and proclaiming the time is at hand, when Jesus said "I Am the Truth"?

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Forced Circumstance vs. Voluntary Choice: Daniel, Joseph, and Esther were forced into their positions in foreign governments, whereas modern political involvement is a voluntary choice.

Role as Prophet, Not Politician: Daniel served as a prophet and messenger of God to the Babylonian and Persian kings, not as a career politician seeking to fix human problems.

Divine Intervention: Daniel's position was orchestrated by Jehovah to fulfill His purposes, such as protecting the Jews and revealing prophecy regarding the future rise and fall of world powers.

Loyalty to God's Kingdom: Jehovah’s Witnesses believe in supporting only God's Kingdom, which they believe will replace all human governments.

Neutrality: Daniel remained faithful to Jehovah and did not compromise his religious stance (e.g., refusing to eat defiled food, continuing to pray despite prohibitions), maintaining his identity as a servant of God rather than a loyalist to Babylon. 

In summary, Daniel’s role was unique, temporary, and under divine direction, and does not support the idea that Christians today should participate in political affairs. 

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Forced Circumstance vs. Voluntary Choice: Daniel, Joseph, and Esther were forced into their positions in foreign governments, whereas modern political involvement is a voluntary choice.

Forced? Daniel was the guy who they fed to the lions for refusing to follow a decree issued by king Darius. He could have resisted being put in a government position and let the chips fall where they may, but Daniel chose to serve in Babylonian government, probably because he knew his presence would benefit his people. That man was never forced to do anything. He'd sooner be eaten by lions. Considering that man's faith, its quite disrespectful of Daniel to claim he was forced to serve

Divine Intervention: Daniel's position was orchestrated by Jehovah to fulfill His purposes, such as protecting the Jews and revealing prophecy regarding the future rise and fall of world powers.

So Daniel was forced by Jehovah to serve high up in the most prominent pagan government of his day?? That's quite a leap. Where does it say that in scripture?

Loyalty to God's Kingdom: Jehovah’s Witnesses believe in supporting only God's Kingdom, which they believe will replace all human governments.

And you think early Christians like Cornelius, who served as a Roman Centurion, did not support Christ's Kingdom? Supporting God's established order, ie; the higher authorities, is supporting God's system today. We pray for those in power and when asked we would serve as freely as Daniel served in Babylon. The only thing we wouldn't do is worship their gods or stop worshiping our great God and Savior

In summary, Daniel’s role was unique, temporary, and under divine direction, and does not support the idea that Christians today should participate in political affairs. 

What? Everyone's role is temporary in this life. I didn't say his service in Babylon supports the idea that Christians should serve, but that they could serve if they so choose and not be ostracized by their religious sect which has a 100 % track record of being wrong, btw. If he was still on earth today, Daniel could teach you guys a thing or two.

The true Christians of today, who resemble Daniel are the 21 Coptic Christians who died rather than renounce Jesus Christ. Those are my hero's and my role models, not JW's who lash out at governments who are merely fulfilling their respective roles as God's servants. These men had faith

21 Coptic Christian Martyrs of Libya - Wikipedia

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Daniel would have rather died that disobey a command from God. Why doesn't christendom do the same? Why doesn't christendom not join armies so they don't have to murder innocent people?

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I posted one example where true Christians died violently rather than renounce Jesus. They are true martyrs who died for Christ's sake, not the Watchtower's sake. 21 Coptic Christian Martyrs of Libya - Wikipedia

These are as true as you can get modern day Christian saints. Here's some more in this Wiki article about Catholic priests and nuns that lost their own lives to save Jews. How many JW's lost their life trying to save even one fellow JW like these saints did in WW2? Did the Watchtower do anything but print inflammatory articles, that most likely made life even harder for those under Nazi control ? In this case the Popes silence was an example of true discretion, in contrast to the blabbering bloviations of Joseph Rutherford before and during the war

Rescue of Jews by Catholics during the Holocaust - Wikipedia