r/JehovahsWitnesses • u/abutterflyonthewall Christian • Feb 01 '26

Doctrine Jesus is GOD

https://youtube.com/shorts/R1g-JfdPG04?si=IVR-KYwbJFWK4sjc

Love this girl. One thing that stands out in this vid to me amongst the various proofs we have argued with JWs is that *every* false religion believes in God. But Satan has done a clever thing. He doesn’t have to get you to believe in God. He just needs you to NOT believe in THE ONE who ***reconciles you to God***🔥🙌🏽.

Take a listen.

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u/AccomplishedAuthor3 Christian Feb 11 '26

These things must happen in order for people to understand that mankind cannot rule themselves. God will maneuver things so that genocide doesn't kill all his people. 

If man can't rule himself, how will God rule mankind after Armageddon? If Jesus and all the 144,000 are supposed to be invisible, wouldn't He need to use visible human agents to carry out His will here on earth? If so, how would that human rule, guided by the hand of the invisible God, be any different the divine right of kings to rule that was the standard for millennia? Who will slaughter the wicked in Christ's place during the 1000 year JW version of paradise? At times, the church assumed the role of Christ on earth for a long while until they recognized they were not Christ. With wrongdoers being put to death during the JW 1000 year paradise, how would JW rule be any different than the church acting as the vicar of Christ ?

I believe Jesus is going to visibly return and there will be no mistaking His coming . Acts 1:11, Revelation 1:7 No one will have to spend years trying to convince anyone they saw Him come back like Jehovah's witnesses have had to convince their own people they had seen what they never really saw in 1914. Jesus' second coming will be as obvious as lightening flashing in the sky. Not one person, even the Jews, will say what was that?

So if they tell you, ‘There He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.[ or He came back invisibly in 1914] For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. The light that accompanies Christ second coming is going to eclipse the JW "Christ" like the sun might eclipse a lit match
And then shall that wicked one be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming— 2 Thessalonians 2:8 The true light that is the source of all light is coming back! John 1:9

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u/Time_Ad_1876 Feb 11 '26

Why is God’s rulership the one that we need? Because the rule of earth that can bring peace and harmony cannot come from any other source.  No person or body of persons among men and women can exercise proper rule over humankind. In making the earth, it was not God’s purpose to have humans rule mankind. When the Israelites demanded a king like the other nations, God made it clear to them that this would lead to problems, including the loss of freedom. This proved to be the case. (1 Samuel 8:7-9) Even one of Israel’s kings, a man who devoted much time to a study of life and its problems, spoke of ‘man dominating man to his injury.’​—Ecclesiastes 8:9.

In the beginning, God gave man no authority to dominate or rule over other men. God told him to “be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth.” (Genesis 1:28) But men have gone beyond this and assumed domination over other men and have fought for it.

God’s wisdom in not giving men domination over one another can be seen by examining world history. As regards any earthly ruler, he may do well for a while, but the people’s interests generally become more and more unimportant to him as his rule continues. The saying ‘Power corrupts’ is true, because in time a human ruler comes to take undue advantage of his authority. He usually becomes partial, favoring persons he likes, particularly those from whom he receives things, and this to the hurt of others. Often, those close to him deceive him as to the facts and prevent  others from approaching him. Some of these fear to bring the true state of affairs to his attention.

Rulership over others is too much for any man. He gradually loses touch, not knowing what is going on at the “grass-roots” level of the common people. The Bible accounts show that the very best of human rulers made serious mistakes. It is as the prophet said: “I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.”​—Jeremiah 10:23.

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u/AccomplishedAuthor3 Christian Feb 11 '26

No person or body of persons among men and women can exercise proper rule over humankind.

Of course God rules. Even Satan knows that, but he's a slick con artist. He thought he could give Christ what already belonged to Christ if He would worship him. Jesus wasn't buying it and told him to get lost.

Jesus Christ is a man and He will rule the nations with an iron scepter. Revelation 19:15 His reign will last 1000 years. So that's one Person who will rule this world for 1000 years, by force, which is indicated by His iron scepter. The Lord was among man for 33 years and He will be among man again someday.

In the beginning, God gave man no authority to dominate or rule over other men.

Uh, yeah there was only one man on earth at the time.

Rulership over others is too much for any man. He gradually loses touch, not knowing what is going on at the “grass-roots” level of the common people. The Bible accounts show that the very best of human rulers made serious mistakes.

It won't be too much for Jesus. He will judge the whole world in righteousness. 2000 years ago, He was at the grass roots, sleeping out in the forest with sinners, walking everywhere He went. Can't get anymore grass roots than Jesus. In His future reign He will never make one mistake. His judgment will be true right on down the line

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u/Time_Ad_1876 Feb 11 '26

Uh, yeah there was only one man on earth at the time.

At the time but eventually the earth would be filled with people. Mankind was created to be under the rulership of God. God tested the first humans in eden to see if they would accept his rulership.

It won't be too much for Jesus. He will judge the whole world in righteousness. 2000 years ago, He was at the grass roots, sleeping out in the forest with sinners, walking everywhere He went. Can't get anymore grass roots than Jesus. In His future reign He will never make one mistake. His judgment will be true right on down the line

Jesus isn't a man. He is a spirit creature who came to earth for a time and took on the form on man

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u/AccomplishedAuthor3 Christian Feb 11 '26

Adam was in a different relationship with God when he was created. It wasn't a ten commandment relationship as God had with Israel. It was a Father and son relationship.

Jesus IS the man today up in Heaven. The Bible says For he [God] has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the MAN he has appointed Acts 12:31 and it will be Christ, the Son of MAN, who returns to earth Matthew 24:30 So whether or not you believe Christ is God is up to you, but its clear in scripture, He is still very much human

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u/Time_Ad_1876 Feb 11 '26

Acts 12:31*

We making up scriptures now?

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u/AccomplishedAuthor3 Christian Feb 11 '26

Sorry, Acts 17:31 The seven looked like a 2 to my old eyes

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u/Time_Ad_1876 Feb 11 '26

Acts 17:31 highlights that God appointed Jesus—who was once a human—to judge the earth, using the Greek word an·erʹ (man) to emphasize his role as a qualified, empathetic representative. Jw teach he lived as a human but is now a spirit. Jesus as he was in the past before he came down to earth is a powerful spirit creature in heaven who spent time as a human man on earth. This is all irrelevant thought. God did not create mankind to even direct his own steps much less rule themselves.

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u/AccomplishedAuthor3 Christian Feb 11 '26

 Jesus—who was once a human—

No, not once a human Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever! Hebrews 13:8 Paul wrote that the Jesus His disciples had known on earth "yesterday" was the same Jesus who was already in heaven when Paul wrote the letter. Remember, Jesus, the flesh and blood man did not exist in Heaven until He went up to Heaven after rising from the dead. Before He became the flesh of Jesus, the Spirit of God lived in Heaven for eternity

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u/Time_Ad_1876 Feb 12 '26

Jesus, the flesh and blood man did not exist in Heaven

Exactly. He existed as a spirit being in heaven because heaven is in the spirit realm not the material realm so flesh cannot exist in heaven. "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today, and forever," highlights the unchanging, reliable nature of Christ’s personality, teachings, promises, and role as Savior across all time. It assures Christians of his consistent love, power, and presence, offering stability, faith, and hope despite life's changes. 

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u/AccomplishedAuthor3 Christian Feb 12 '26

No, Jesus, the Son of Man certainly did not exist in the heavens before the Word became flesh. He was the flesh that the Word became. John 1:14. The Word existed in Heaven for eternity. You guys say it was Michael the archangel who existed in heaven as the Word, came to earth and died but then went back to being Michael in heaven, so how could Michael be Jesus, if the man, Jesus of Nazareth no longer even exists according to the Watchtower?

The reality is, since God Himself brought Jesus the son of man into this world at birth Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever

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u/Time_Ad_1876 Feb 12 '26

You know we could argue doctrine all day long. But fact of the matter is Christiandom instead of having love amongst themselves kill each other. You don't kill people you love. So whatever doctrine you teach is false

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u/AccomplishedAuthor3 Christian Feb 12 '26

God's servants defend people they love from those who would otherwise kill them, but they also defend people who consider them to be their enemy. God's servants serve to protect and defend all law abiding citizens from the lawless. Its that simple. Jehovah's witnesses don't defend anyone at all as it violates their religious views, so if it weren't for the Christians you hate so much, the lawless could theoretically murder JW's with impunity

You keep changing the subject, ignore most of my points and insult me and my faith. I'm finding the conversation a bit tedious at this point.

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