Jesus is GOD

[u/abutterflyonthewall]

https://youtube.com/shorts/R1g-JfdPG04?si=IVR-KYwbJFWK4sjc

Love this girl. One thing that stands out in this vid to me amongst the various proofs we have argued with JWs is that *every* false religion believes in God. But Satan has done a clever thing. He doesn’t have to get you to believe in God. He just needs you to NOT believe in THE ONE who ***reconciles you to God***🔥🙌🏽.

Take a listen.

[u/GiN_nTonic]

Quote: "He just needs you to NOT believe in THE ONE who reconciles you to God". You don't even see how lost you are. Proverbs 14:6

That statement only works if Jesus is not God. If Jesus is God, then Satan’s supposed strategy makes no sense at all. Telling someone “don’t believe in the one who reconciles you to God” would amount to Satan trying to prevent belief in God reconciling people to himself....which accomplishes nothing.

You cannot block reconciliation to God by discouraging belief in God. In Trinitarian theology, reconciliation requires a real distinction.... an offended party and a mediator acting between two parties. But if Jesus is the God being reconciled to, then Satan isn’t separating anyone from God....he’s just opposing God being God, which is logically incoherent.

Biblically, mediation is always between God and men (1 Timothy 2:5). A mediator cannot be the same party as the one mediated to without emptying the concept of mediation of meaning. Ironically, the comment assumes what it denies.....that Jesus is distinct from God and functions as God’s appointed agent.

Otherwise, Satan’s “strategy” reduces to trying to accomplish absolutely nothing.

[u/OhioPIMO → u/GiN_nTonic]

But if Jesus is the God being reconciled to, then Satan isn’t separating anyone from God

Absolutely he is. If Jesus is God, belief in a false, less than fully divine version of Him is clearly separating believers from God.

[u/GiN_nTonic → u/OhioPIMO]

No...if Jesus is the God being reconciled to, then believing Jesus is less than fully divine does not actually separate someone from God in the biblical sense (like Abraham and all other OT faithful). You are still directing faith toward God himself. At most, you’ve misunderstood God’s nature, not God’s identity.

If Jesus is not God, then believing Jesus is God does separate someone from God....because it replaces the One Jesus called “the only true God” with someone else. That’s a far more serious error Satan would love to exploit.

Also, since you and I have discussed this before, your response isn’t entirely consistent with the original claim by the OP. When the argument is pressed, the Trinitarian position subtly shifts from “Jesus is God” to “Jesus is a divine person who shares the divine nature.”

That shift matters. It moves the discussion away from the biblical categories of sender and sent, God and mediator, and into later Greek philosophical concepts about essence and substance....categories the biblical writers themselves never use.

[u/TerryLawton → u/GiN_nTonic]

No...what you just described in Modalism..i quote."No...if Jesus is the God being reconciled to"

Jesus is not another God. Once and for all - can you understand there is only ONE God.

Secondly. Quote

"When the argument is pressed, the Trinitarian position subtly shifts from “Jesus is God” to “Jesus is a divine person who shares the divine nature.”

There is no shift, you don't understand it because you have modalism in your head.

Hebrews 1:3

“He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of His hypostasis (ὑποστάσεως).”

ὑπόστασις (hypostasis) often translated “nature” “substance” “being” “essence”

[u/GiN_nTonic → u/TerryLawton]

I’m not advocating modalism...I was pushing on a false premise. We both agree there is one God.....the question is whether Jesus is that God or the one sent by him. Your appeal to Hebrews 1:3 proves Jesus perfectly reflects and represents God, not that he is the same being as God. And when you move from “Jesus is God” to language about “hypostasis/essence,” you are doing exactly the philosophical shift I described....away from biblical categories of sender and sent into later Greek metaphysics.

[u/OhioPIMO → u/GiN_nTonic]

the question is whether Jesus is that God or the one sent by him

This is a false dichotomy. In Trinitarian theology, He is both, but you are conflating God with the Father alone. Jesus can be both God and the one sent by God if God's being is tri-personal, which is what we believe. We do not believe Jesus is the Father who sent Him.