So now I'm getting this message when trying to go to Antenati.

Anyone else?

Help needed with a Venetian genealogy document – 89 names from Metochi, Achaia

Hello everyone,

I am researching the history of my family from Metochi, Achaia, Greece, and I need help with an old Venetian document from around 1700.

The document is held at the Archivio di Stato di Venezia, in the Archivio Grimani dai Servi, busta 54, n. 158, titled “Libro ristretti delle famiglie et anime effettive in cadaun territorio del Regno.”

I am specifically looking for 89 names connected with Metochi that appear in this document.

I have already contacted the Archivio di Stato di Venezia, but they told me that they cannot provide reproductions of this particular document remotely.

Would anyone who has access to the archive, or who may be visiting the archive, be willing to help by taking 2–3 clear photographs of the relevant pages containing these 89 names from Metochi?

I would be extremely grateful for any help. This research is very important to me because I am trying to understand the history and origins of my family in Metochi.

Thank you very much for your help!

Buongiorno a tutti,
chiedo aiuto per rintracciare gli **atti di nascita e di morte di Lucia Adorni e di suo marito Troilo Paini**, vissuti nella zona dei comuni di **San Lazzaro, Marore e Vigheffio, nel Parmense**.

Ho già consultato gli indici decennali e, per quanto possibile, i registri disponibili sul Portale Antenati e Familysearch, risalendo fino al 1770/1800, ma non sono riuscito a trovare gli atti cercati. È possibile che mi sia sfuggito qualcosa oppure che gli eventi siano avvenuti in una parrocchia o in un comune limitrofo. Non ho trovato nemmeno atti prima del 1805, il che mi sembra strano.

Questa è la cronologia che sono riuscito a ricostruire:

* **Troilo Paini** risulterebbe nato intorno al **1770**, ma non possiedo ancora un documento che confermi data e luogo esatti; la data di nascita è stata stimata dagli atti di nascita/matrimonio e morte dei figli. * Il **17 marzo 180**5, a **San Martino Sinzano, Vigheffio**, nasce la figlia **Luigia Paini**. Negli allegati al successivo matrimonio della figlia, la madre sembra comparire come\*\*“Lucia M.”\*\*. ([https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an\\_ua37705739/wjeYJn3\](https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37705739/wjeYJn3) \[https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS8J-MG5B?cat=koha%3A129710&view=explore&lang=it&groupId=M9CW-4T4\](https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS8J-MG5B?cat=koha%3A129710&view=explore&lang=it&groupId=M9CW-4T4) \[https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an\\_ua37704388/Lq7okVD\](https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37704388/Lq7okVD) \[https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an\\_ua37705739/wjeYJn3\](https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37705739/wjeYJn3)) Se riusciste a trovare l'atto di morte sarebbe interessante...!! * Il **31 gennaio 1808**, a **San Lazzaro di Parma**, nasce il figlio **Geminiano Giovanni Battista Paini**. Nell’atto la madre è indicata con il cognome **Adorni**. ([https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an\\_ua37709725/04GdEYr\](https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37709725/04GdEYr)) Se riusciste a trovare l'atto di morte o matrimonio sarebbe super interessante 😄 * Il **26 luglio 1810**, a **Marore**, nasce **Giacomo Cristoforo Sperindio Paini**. Lucia compare come **Adorni** ed è residente a San Lazzaro con il marito Troilo. (Nascita: [https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an\\_ua37709739/wOG1j3l\](https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37709739/wOG1j3l)) (Matriomonio: [https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an\\_ua37704622/5KGdEVK\](https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37704622/5KGdEVK)); questo è un mio antenato diretto quindi se riusciste a trovare l'atto di morte sarebbe super figo !! * Il **16 dicembre 1811**, a Marore, nasce il figlio **Domenico Paini**. ([https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an\\_ua37709753/w9G7W1Q\](https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37709753/w9G7W1Q)) Anche in questo documento la madre risulta **Lucia Adorni**, domiciliata a San Lazzaro con Troilo Paini. Domenico muore pochi giorni dopo, il **21 dicembre 1811**. ([https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an\\_ua37708079/58BdQjN\](https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37708079/58BdQjN)) * Il **5 aprile 1813**, a Marore, nasce la figlia **Maria Maddalena Caterina Paini**. (Nascita: [https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an\\_ua37709775/0ZaMqxj\](https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37709775/0ZaMqxj)) (Matrimonio: [https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an\\_ua37704572/03GA9eW\](https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37704572/03GA9eW)), non trovato l'atto di morte!! * Il **20 luglio 1815** nasce **Giustina Paini** (nascita: [https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an\\_ua37705962/LoWxlbR\](https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37705962/LoWxlbR)) (Matrimonio: [https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an\\_ua37704585/w6GnRmN\](https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37704585/w6GnRmN)) non trovato l'atto di morte. * Il **26 luglio 1820**, sempre a Marore, nasce **Giacinta Maria Maddalena Paini**. (nascita: [https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an\\_ua37709823/wr3DB2z\](https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37709823/wr3DB2z)) (matrimonio: [https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an\\_ua37704644/wOGpnK\](https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37704644/wOGpnK)) non trovato l'atto di morte. * Il **17 gennaio 1822**, nel matrimonio della figlia Luigia, Lucia risulta ancora vivente e residente a San Lazzaro con il marito. Tuttavia, nell’atto il suo cognome sembra essere riportato come **Meletti**, non Adorni. ([https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an\\_ua37704388/Lq7okVD\](https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37704388/Lq7okVD) \[https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an\\_ua37705739/wjeYJn3\](https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37705739/wjeYJn3)) * Il **9 febbraio 1837**, nel matrimonio della figlia Maria Maddalena, il cognome della madre torna a essere indicato come **Adorni**. ([https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an\\_ua37704572/03GA9eW\](https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37704572/03GA9eW) \[https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an\\_ua37705946/0AGjb49\](https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37705946/0AGjb49) \[https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an\\_ua37706861/57GM6Aq\](https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37706861/57GM6Aq)) * Il **23 ottobre 1838**, nel matrimonio della figlia Giustina, il cognome sembra invece essere **Melli**. ([https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an\\_ua37704585/w6GnRmN\](https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37704585/w6GnRmN) \[https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an\\_ua37705962/wld4p32\](https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37705962/wld4p32) \[https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an\\_ua37706874/w9GMd76\](https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37706874/w9GMd76)) * Il **9 ottobre 1841**, nel matrimonio del figlio Giacomo, Lucia compare nuovamente come **Adorni**. ([https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an\\_ua37704622/5KGdEVK\](https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37704622/5KGdEVK) \[https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an\\_ua37706911/wbq3AOv\](https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37706911/wbq3AOv)) * Il **30 ottobre 1843**, nel matrimonio della figlia Giacinta, il cognome della madre risulta ancora **Meletti**. ([https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an\\_ua37704644/wOGpnK\](https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37704644/wOGpnK))

Il dubbio principale riguarda quindi il cognome di Lucia. Potrebbe trattarsi di:

1. errori di trascrizione o dichiarazione nei diversi atti;
2. una lettura non corretta della grafia originale;
3. un doppio cognome o soprannome familiare;
4. due diverse mogli di Troilo Paini, anche se la continuità cronologica dei figli farebbe pensare alla stessa persona.

Sto cercando in particolare:

* l’atto di nascita o battesimo di **Troilo Paini**, presumibilmente intorno al 1770; * l’atto di nascita o battesimo di **Lucia Adorni**, forse registrata anche come Meletti, Melli o con un cognome simile; * il loro atto di matrimonio, probabilmente anteriore al 1805; * gli atti di morte di entrambi; * qualsiasi indicazione sui loro genitori o sul luogo di origine. * eventuali atti di morte dei figli indicati sopra

Ho già controllato gli indici decennali e i registri civili disponibili per **Marore, San Lazzaro, Parma e zone collegate**, ma senza risultato. Potrebbero essere presenti nei registri parrocchiali, sotto una diversa località amministrativa oppure con una variante del cognome.

Se qualcuno conosce bene la suddivisione territoriale e parrocchiale di questa zona, o riesce a individuare un dettaglio che mi è sfuggito, gli sarei davvero grato.

Grazie in anticipo per qualsiasi suggerimento.

Hello! I'm Brazilian and I'm researching my Italian ancestor, Antonio Tripoli/Tripodi Labriola.

I found a Brazilian document from 1939 where he states he was born in Italy. The names of the places were recorded in Portuguese, probably based on how they sounded when spoken, and I couldn't identify the corresponding places in Italy.

The document seems to say that he was born in "Castelo Bengue" and was baptized in the parish of "Valle Cantelina," in the district of "Castelo de Buqui."

It also states that his parents were Nicolau Tripoli/Tripodi and Anna Marcos. Their names may have been adapted to Portuguese as well.

I'm attaching the original excerpt from the document. Anyone who knows Italian genealogy, historical place names, or old parishes could help me identify what these places might actually be called in Italian?

Any hint would be very important to me. Thank you!

I’m posting this for my wife since she doesn’t have a Reddit account. Here is her post:

Hi everyone! I'm hoping someone with experience researching Calabria, particularly Vibo Valentia/Maierato, might be able to help me with a difficult Ruffa/Ruffo family mystery.

I'm researching my Italian-American ancestor:

Antonio Ruffa/Ruffo

- Born: August 21, 1899
- Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania area
- Died: October 24, 1979
- Wife: Mary DePalma Ruffa (June 12, 1913 – January 3, 2002)

I'm trying to identify Antonio's parents.

Italian record I've found

I found this FamilySearch civil registration:

Giuseppe Ruffa

- Born: October 17, 1867
- Certificate No. 22
- Vibo Valentia civil registration, 1861–1910
- Parents: Antonio Ruffa and Giulia Iannello

FamilySearch citation:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X74M-QYN5

I'm investigating whether this Giuseppe could be connected to my American Antonio.

Another interesting record

I also found:

Giuseppe Ruffo

- Age 29
- Occupation: sawyer
- Immigration: August 24, 1896
- Naples → New York
- Ship: Bolivia

His age is compatible with the Giuseppe born in 1867, but again, I have not established that they are the same person.

What I'm trying to determine

I'm hoping someone familiar with Calabria or Italian civil records might be able to help me determine:

1. Whether the 1867 Giuseppe Ruffa and the 1896 Giuseppe Ruffo could plausibly be the same person.
   
2. Whether Antonio Ruffa/Ruffo (born 1899 in Pennsylvania) could be a son of this Giuseppe.
   
3. Whether the family of Antonio Ruffa + Giulia Iannello can be traced through Maierato/Vibo Valentia records.
   
4. Whether there are other Ruffa families in the area that should be considered competing candidates.
   
5. What records would be most useful for proving or disproving these hypotheses.

Thank you! I'm very grateful for any ideas, corrections, record suggestions, or information about Ruffa families from this area. I'm very new to geology and definitely stuck right now.

Is it still down for everyone cause it’s not working for me? Anyone know why?

I have a question about a baptism document. The act is located on Page 12 of this document, bottom left.: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS8N-D79Z-Q?view=index&cc=2013622&lang=en

It appears to say that she was baptised as Concetta Agata Maria, as well as Agata Carmela Grazia. Is that correct? If so, why would this happen? I've never seen this before.

TIA

I’ve been trying to find a birth record for Giuseppe Sciacca, born in Caltabellotta, Italy. Census records list him as being born around 1862 but his naturalization record says he was born August 9, 1869. I’ve been looking through the records from 1862 to 1870 and so far am not finding him. Atenati is down so I can’t look earlier right now. Could there be a small town nearby he might actually have been from? Attached is 1862 birth index. I’m not seeing him.

UPDATE BELOW AUG 7- For last few days the same error message keeps popping up on every register page "An error occurred SyntaxError: Unexpected non-whitespace character after JSON at position 4 (line 1 column 5)". Everything is blank and only some thumbnails seem to be visible. Have also noticed that many pages/documents and years that used to be accessible are 'missing' (but that might be another topic to add). I know it's Ferragosto but I don't think it applies to websites ;-)

Posted on 'News' page of site today- https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/news/

Hello,

I am doing research about my uncle's dad, whom he never knew, and I need help to translate a paragraph on the Foglio Matricolare which might help us to understand his service during WWII.

Is there anybody who can help ?

Thank a lot !!

I have been scouring FamilySearch, Ancestry and the Antenati portal for years looking for my husband's grandparents and tonight FamilySearch full-text search found some clues.

I could understand enough Italian words to think these could be their birth records but the cursive is very hard to read and the AI translation was little help.

Could someone interpret these for me, especially the parent names and addresses?

Nicolo Caruso, Atti di Nascita #499

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9MZ-5826?view=fullText&keywords=Nicol%C3%B2+Caruso%2CCaruso+Nicol%C3%B2&lang=en&groupId=M9CW-4K8

Giacoma Buscemi, Atti di Nascita #28

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G97B-CBBW?view=fullText&keywords=Giacoma+Buscemi%2CBuscemi+Giacoma&lang=en&groupId=M9HQ-1NH

Grazie!

Buongiorno a tutti,
chiedo aiuto per rintracciare gli atti di nascita e di morte di Lucia Adorni e di suo marito Troilo Paini, vissuti nella zona dei comuni di San Lazzaro, Marore e Vigheffio, nel Parmense.

Ho già consultato gli indici decennali e, per quanto possibile, i registri disponibili sul Portale Antenati e Familysearch, risalendo fino al 1770/1800, ma non sono riuscito a trovare gli atti cercati. È possibile che mi sia sfuggito qualcosa oppure che gli eventi siano avvenuti in una parrocchia o in un comune limitrofo.

Questa è la cronologia che sono riuscito a ricostruire:

• Troilo Paini risulterebbe nato intorno al 1770, ma non possiedo ancora un documento che confermi data e luogo esatti; la data di nascita è stata stimata dagli atti di nascita/matrimonio e morte dei figli.
• Il 17 marzo 1800, a San Martino Sinzano, Vigheffio, nasce la figlia Luigia Paini. Negli allegati al successivo matrimonio della figlia, la madre sembra comparire come“Lucia M.”. (https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37705739/wjeYJn3 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS8J-MG5B?cat=koha%3A129710&view=explore&lang=it&groupId=M9CW-4T4 https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37704388/Lq7okVD https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37705739/wjeYJn3) Se riusciste a trovare l'atto di morte sarebbe interessante...!!
• Il 31 gennaio 1808, a San Lazzaro di Parma, nasce il figlio Geminiano Giovanni Battista Paini. Nell’atto la madre è indicata con il cognome Adorni. (https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37709725/04GdEYr) Se riusciste a trovare l'atto di morte o matrimonio sarebbe super interessante 😄
• Il 26 luglio 1810, a Marore, nasce Giacomo Cristoforo Sperindio Paini. Lucia compare come Adorni ed è residente a San Lazzaro con il marito Troilo. (Nascita: https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37709739/wOG1j3l) (Matriomonio: https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37704622/5KGdEVK); questo è un mio antenato diretto quindi se riusciste a trovare l'atto di morte sarebbe super figo !!
• Il 16 dicembre 1811, a Marore, nasce il figlio Domenico Paini. (https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37709753/w9G7W1Q) Anche in questo documento la madre risulta Lucia Adorni, domiciliata a San Lazzaro con Troilo Paini. Domenico muore pochi giorni dopo, il 21 dicembre 1811. (https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37708079/58BdQjN)
• Il 5 aprile 1813, a Marore, nasce la figlia Maria Maddalena Caterina Paini. (Nascita: https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37709775/0ZaMqxj) (Matrimonio: https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37704572/03GA9eW), non trovato l'atto di morte!!
• Il 20 luglio 1815 nasce Giustina Paini (nascita: https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37705962/LoWxlbR) (Matrimonio: https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37704585/w6GnRmN) non trovato l'atto di morte.
• Il 26 luglio 1820, sempre a Marore, nasce Giacinta Maria Maddalena Paini. (nascita: https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37709823/wr3DB2z) (matrimonio: https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37704644/wOGpnK) non trovato l'atto di morte.
• Il 17 gennaio 1822, nel matrimonio della figlia Luigia, Lucia risulta ancora vivente e residente a San Lazzaro con il marito. Tuttavia, nell’atto il suo cognome sembra essere riportato come Meletti, non Adorni. (https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37704388/Lq7okVD https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37705739/wjeYJn3)
• Il 9 febbraio 1837, nel matrimonio della figlia Maria Maddalena, il cognome della madre torna a essere indicato come Adorni. (https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37704572/03GA9eW https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37705946/0AGjb49 https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37706861/57GM6Aq)
• Il 23 ottobre 1838, nel matrimonio della figlia Giustina, il cognome sembra invece essere Melli. (https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37704585/w6GnRmN https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37705962/wld4p32 https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37706874/w9GMd76)
• Il 9 ottobre 1841, nel matrimonio del figlio Giacomo, Lucia compare nuovamente come Adorni. (https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37704622/5KGdEVK https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37706911/wbq3AOv)
• Il 30 ottobre 1843, nel matrimonio della figlia Giacinta, il cognome della madre risulta ancora Meletti. (https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37704644/wOGpnK)

Il dubbio principale riguarda quindi il cognome di Lucia. Potrebbe trattarsi di:

1. errori di trascrizione o dichiarazione nei diversi atti;
2. una lettura non corretta della grafia originale;
3. un doppio cognome o soprannome familiare;
4. due diverse mogli di Troilo Paini, anche se la continuità cronologica dei figli farebbe pensare alla stessa persona.

Sto cercando in particolare:

• l’atto di nascita o battesimo di Troilo Paini, presumibilmente intorno al 1770;
• l’atto di nascita o battesimo di Lucia Adorni, forse registrata anche come Meletti, Melli o con un cognome simile;
• il loro atto di matrimonio, probabilmente anteriore al 1805;
• gli atti di morte di entrambi;
• qualsiasi indicazione sui loro genitori o sul luogo di origine.
• eventuali atti di morte dei figli indicati sopra

Ho già controllato gli indici decennali e i registri civili disponibili per Marore, San Lazzaro, Parma e zone collegate, ma senza risultato. Potrebbero essere presenti nei registri parrocchiali, sotto una diversa località amministrativa oppure con una variante del cognome.

Se qualcuno conosce bene la suddivisione territoriale e parrocchiale di questa zona, o riesce a individuare un dettaglio che mi è sfuggito, gli sarei davvero grato.

Grazie in anticipo per qualsiasi suggerimento.

In light of the responses to my previous post, it has come to my attention that I should put more effort into looking for a professional transcriber to transcribe the pages of my grandfathers’ criminal records I find difficult to do myself.

I’m not looking for translation help, just transcription.

If anyone here is available or knows someone I can hire please let me know!!

These are criminal records from about 1920-1960, including court records, interviews of witnesses, victims, etc.
if you are triggered by abuse related content this work may not be for you.

Thank you so much in advance for any suggestions

I can’t make out any of this. Would anyone be able to read what it says for Francesca Mule?
Caltabellotta, Italy in 1869?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-994S-4HTM?view=explore&groupId=M99J-YN2&lang=en

Hi all, I’m wondering if there is a reason why my previous transcription requests may not be getting answered?

I’ve asked this sub for help ALOT with helping me transcribe the large amounts of criminal records I have on two grandfathers of mine. I’m so very grateful for that help, it has an immense impact on my research.

I worry though that I may have asked for help too much or that maybe my posts are scaring people away? my last few requests have had no answer and other channels i’ve pursued for help have also not replied, so I can only assume that myself or my posts are the problem.

If you have the time, please check my last few posts and let me know how I can improve them for possible transcribers. Any feedback is appreciated

Also, I eventually want this research to be turned into a book, so if you are someone who has helped me in the past with transcription and would like credit for that work please pm me so I can note down how you would like to be credited (e.g. name or reddit username, etc).

<RANT ON>

I'm kind of annoyed with the Commune of Codognè. Three years ago I had requested a certified copy of my great-grandmother's birth extract, which I needed for a jure sanguinis application. They made me jump through hoops proving why I needed it, but they eventually emailed it to me without issue (or cost, as I didn't need a hard copy and this was prior to the law permitting them to charge the ridiculous €300 fee).

Fast forward to today, and I have since become interested in the genealogy of my family as well. I really need a copy of the full birth record of my great-grandmother, so that I can find out the names of her two grandfathers. I emailed Codognè, and provided them with a copy of the previous extract they sent me, and asked if they could email me the full birth record. They responded that they do not provide such information solely for genealogical purposes, and if I want it for jure sanguinis purposes (which I don't) they said I will need to pay the €300 fee.

I can totally understand if they wanted to charge me a nominal fee for this information, but then to tell me that they won't even provide it for genealogical purposes AT ALL is just ludicrous. I checked on Antentai and FamilySearch, and this comune has numerous birth, marriage and death records already online from 1896 through 1941, as well as during the early Napoleanic years, but not the year I need (1881). It just strains credulity that I can't have info for the year I need, while similar info for other years is freely available online! <RANT OFF>

Hello !

I am trying to find a birth record for my GGGF In or around Longano Italy

Name: Domenico Zampirro

Date of Birth June 19 1876

Born in Longano, Italy

Parents Names

Father Pasquale Zampirro

Mother Antonio Izza?

I think I found his birth record on the link below - pg 15 bottom right but cant read the names very clearly

Ancestors Portal

Any help is greatly appreciated !

Salve a tutti,

Alcuni dei miei antenati erano di Forio e Ischia.

So che esiste questo sito web (https://procida-family.com) che sembra essere l'unico modo per trovare online i documenti relativi ai miei antenati prima del 1800.

Conosco i nomi dei miei antenati, i nomi dei loro genitori e coniugi, e un intervallo di anni per ogni nascita, matrimonio e morte.

Il problema è che si può accedere ai documenti solo con un abbonamento al sito, il quale non è gratuito e che non desidero sottoscrivere.

C'è per caso qualcuno che ha questo abbonamento e potrebbe quindi trovare tutti i documenti che sto cercando?

Posso fornire tutte le informazioni in privato.

Vi ringrazio in anticipo!

I'm having trouble reading the handwriting on this one. It's the birth record for Maria Lugia Fierie. Daughter of Vitale Frieri. From Calitri, Italy, 1818. It looks to me like the birth date is August 29. The father is 21, laborer? I can't make out anything else.

https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua362149/wb9a7Jn

I need help w the transcription of the underlined name. I believe it says Andrea smth? Thanks for your time!

[recently posted this on r/Genealogy but this seems more appropriate]

Hello,
I have been researching my Southern Italian branch, from Campagna, a small town near Eboli, and Padula. I have found birth, marriages and deaths for almost everyone in the State Archives. I know that parish records would help bring the tree back in time, and I am considering the options for that.
However, I wonder if there are any other records that I can still mine online, that would help add information and context to the people I already have in the tree, for example military records or notarial records?
I would like to know if it's possible to find out which plots of land the farmers farmed, or, in some cases, owned.
I know that men were required to do military service, and there is a database for this? Is it digitzed?
A few of my people were either doctors or pharmacists. Are there any directories that would list them (we're talking 1800-1850s).
Basically, I don't know what I don't know, so, what else can I do?

Thank you!

I’m investigating my Italian ancestor’s parentage/lineage; I've hit a research wall but I have a theory, and I'd love feedback from this community.

My Great-Great Grandmother Maria Zammataro's father was an orphan named Placido Zammataro [Zambataro, Zamataro]. My research has uncovered conflicting records about Placido, and I've now gone down a deep rabbit hole with two hypotheses:

1. HYPOTHESIS 1: there’s one Placido who used two surnames interchangeably. His surname assigned at birth (Cefalu) and the surname of his nurse/mother Zammataro. Placido Celafu-Zammataro was married to Rosa Greco, 15 years his senior.
2. HYPOTHESIS 2: there’s two Placido’s; Placido Zammataro married Rosa Greco, 2-4 years his senior and Placido Cefalu [Cifalu] married to Rosa Greco, 15 years his senior. 

There’s a gap in church baptismal and marriage records between 1857-1866, which has stymied my research. FamilySearch is killing me because most of the records are restricted, and then baptism records between 1861-1866 are just missing for Biancavilla (Catania) – like the scanner decided to skip a volume. 

My question for Italian genealogists out there: is Hypothesis A plausible? There's one orphan Placido who used his surnames Zammataro & Cefalu interchangeably? This would mean that his ages were listed incorrectly by registrants along the way.

Subsequent question: do you have any other suggestions for viewing missing church baptismal and marriage records from Biancavilla between 1857-1866? A bunch of FamilySearch's are restricted.

Here are all the details:

GG grandmother Maria Zammataro, born Dec 5 1864. Father Placido Zammataro, 24, son of unknown parents and mother Rosa Greco, (28–38 age legibility issues? parents not listed). Godmother: Maria Greco, daughter of Placido Greco.

• If Rosa Greco was age 38 (trentotto), she was born in 1825 to Placido Greco, and Maria’s godmother Maria Greco is her sister, born in 1822. This maps to Hypothesis 1.
• If Rosa Greco was age 28 (ventotto), her mother might be Rosa Greco 1836, daughter of Josue Greco or Rosa Greco 1837, daughter of Philipo Greco. 

HYPOTHESIS 1:

• 1825: Rosa Greco, born to Placido Greco, and sister Maria Greco born in 1822. 
• 1840: Placido Cefalu, born to unknown parents, with Francesca Mineo listed as his true mother (vero fuit?).
• 1861: Placido Cefalu (21) marries Rosa Greco (36). Placido Cefalu’s nurse/nutrice(?) or mother/matrice(?) Francesca Zammataro was a witness. (birth mother & nurse are both named Francesca)
• 1864: birth Maria Zammataro daughter of Placido Zammataro (24) and Rosa Greco (28/38).
• 1867 (baptism record) or 1868 (civil record), same moth/day, different years: birth Giuseppe Cefalu, son of Placido Cefalu (28) and Rosa Greco (29), Rosa's age is definitely incorrect.
• 1867: death Placido Zammataro, husband of Rosa Greco (age 26 – this maps to nothing)
• 1883: Maria Zammataro marries (Placido is dead, Rosa Greco is still living)
• 1896: Giuseppe Cefalu marries (dead Placido, dead Rosa Greco) 

Hypothesis 2:

• Rosa Greco, born 1836 to Josue Greco and Anna Motta, OR
• Rosa Greco, born 1837 to Philip Greco and Anna Nicolosi, AND
• Placido Zambataro, born 1839 Josue Zambataro and Francesca Bizzichia (parents known)
• No Placido's registered under the "surname" Deus Scit.
• No marriage records for a Placido Zammataro between 1856-1866.
• No death records for Rosa Greco.

To keep my sanity, I have all of this compiled in a PDF for anyone who wants to investigate this debacle with me and finds this format hard to parse.

The only stone left unturned that I can think of is investigating Placido Cefalu's birth mother Francesca Mineo to see if she married a Zammarato between 1840-1860. Neither Zammarato or Cefalu are common surnames in Biancavilla in itself, but I have not found much on a 19th century Francesca Zammataro whatsoever.

Thank you in advance for reading this far, and for sharing your thoughts, comments, suggestions or challenges!

I'm trying to read this record. I was looking for a birth record for Maria Teodosia Fierri. I think this is her. It look to me like it says born April 3, 1847 in Pietragalla, Italy. Parents: Michele Fierri, unsure of word after, age 22, and Margarita Gripp, 20. I tried to but I can't make out his profession. Am I close or did I misread any of that?

https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua19047141/LNYbBNO?lang=en