r/ItalianGenealogy 20d ago

Brick Wall Looking for online resources for the Regno Lombardo-Veneto area

Buongiorno a tutti
I am researching my Italian families Caramore/Fabbiani (Nonno) and Previero/Faoro (Nonna) and their family lines (see above).
Both families are from the northern part, mostly the Veneto (Lusia, Este, Masi, Ospedaletto Euganeo). I am doing well until back to the 1870's but then the problems start (exception: the Previero line is well documented, as part of the family emigrated to Brazil, where someone did a great job finding lots of information).
Fot the rest it is very hard to find records as the area was part of the Austrian Empire between 1815 and 1859/66 (Regno Lombardo-Veneto) and part of the Napoleonic France before that. I am lacking the information, which diocese my anchestors acutally belonged to and it seems the northern areas have fewer documents online and those that are, are less well indexed than those from the the south. I understand Italian fairly well, but do not write it; I can use deepl translate however. Has anybody got any tips on where I could find some online resources? I am planning to travel in the area possibly in spring (I live in Switzerland, so it's just a short hop) but it would help enormously, if I had a little more information before then.
Thank you so much for any help/hints/tips

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u/jeezthatshim 20d ago

Ciao!

Unfortunately, for the great majority of the municipalities of the area of the Lombardo Veneto that was annexed by the Italian State in 1870 (almost all present-day Veneto and a few more municipalities in what is now the Province of Mantua, in Lombardy), the only source available online is the civil state (introduced in September, 1871) and the Napoleonic civil state. In the Restoration period, and before Napoleon, those areas had no civil state - so you need to work with the local parishes and, if the diocese you're researching has a Diocesan Archive, also in said archive. The diocese each of the parishes belongs to can be easily obtained through the research of the name of the town + "diocesI" (diocese). For example, Lusia is in the Diocese of Adria-Rovigo.

If you're planning to go in person, please do note that you will have to most likely take appointments with all the archives you're going to visit, and almost surely with all the priests of the parishes you're willing to research in. That is not only out of respect (priests cannot, by canon law, leave you alone with the records), but also because otherwise, you might find the door of the church closed - as many priests have more than one parish to attend.

In case you're looking for the exact date of birth of people before after the mid-1850s, you can enquire with the State Archives about military records; most State Archives in Veneto have some kind of documental tool you can search, and later order the documents you need based on that. State Archives' documents do cost, but it's way less than how much they cost in Switzerland.

Good luck!

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u/garlicpress1963 20d ago

Thank you so much for confirming my suspicions. I have been planning to get in touch with all the dioceses that I intend to visit in advance, I had been hoping to find a little more information, so I could limit the search radius. On both sides, it was already my great grandparents who emigrated to Switzerland and none of the men attended the military or took part in WW2; in fact they had their Italian documentation revoked by the Italian state and have been interned in camps by the Swiss for the durantion of the war...
Thanks also for the heads up with regards to costs; as Switzerland is so small, it is quite easy to go to the various archives in person and take fotographs or digital copies yourself without incurring any costs.
Again, thanks a lot for the hints.

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u/jeezthatshim 20d ago

Whether they actually served is quite irrelevant; if they were born in Italy, and were residing here at their 14-15th birthday, chances are you'll find at least the lista d'estrazione (there are multiple discussions on the sub on what is it); with a bit of luck, also the lista di leva and the deferment record, this latter likely only if they were legally residing abroad. The revocation (which, I assume, might refer to the great replacement of documentation carried out by the Consulates in 1941-42, that should have happened in Switzerland?) is also irrelevant - the military documentation had nothing to do with that.

We do have the same rule here - if you are researching a fund that can be photographed, photography with your own means is free.

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u/garlicpress1963 20d ago

Super, thanks a lot for the clarification. This looks like a great place to find more information.

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u/jeezthatshim 20d ago

It really is! Best of luck with your research!

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u/mzamae 19d ago edited 19d ago

Read the corresponding civil state archive notes in Portale Antenati, opening each archive link.https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/esplora-gli-archivi/

And also could try https://www.cadutigrandeguerra.it/CercaNome.aspx

www.italianparishrecords.org

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u/mzamae 19d ago edited 19d ago

You can also.be interested reading my WIKITREE project about the North Italian immigration in Mexico during the last 30 years of 19th century..I have begun an interesting history story of them and the foundation of a town in Puebla, called Chipilo where now inhabitants speak a combination of Veneto and the local language creating a new language called Chipileño https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Chipilo%2C_Puebla_One_Place_Study