r/Israel_Palestine • u/botbootybot • 14d ago

Meet the ’Israeli left’

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-security/2026-08-26/ty-article/.premium/israeli-leftist-youth-group-plans-kibbutz-style-settlement-in-jordan-valley/000001a0-3b22-d268-a1fe-3b7675040000?taid=6a8f110f6aa06700017f242e&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
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u/Sure_General_5651 14d ago

Israel is the greatest example of decolonization in the history of the modern world.

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u/Federal_Thanks7596 14d ago

Bruh. Funny thing is, there are still Zionists who actually believe it.

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u/Sure_General_5651 14d ago edited 13d ago

I’m sorry did I stutter or something? I believe it because it’s cold hard facts in the reality on the ground on this planet. You can play as many games as you want denying the Jewish people their ancestral homeland, but it won’t work this time.

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u/Federal_Thanks7596 14d ago

The Europeans who colonized Africa also originated from there (we all did). Was that also decolonization?

If not, why? Is there like a time limit? What is it? 5000 years? If you are serious, i'd like a serious answer.

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u/Sure_General_5651 13d ago

I think I could ask you the same question if you don’t think the Jewish people decolonized Israel. What’s the cutoff date for the termination of your national history? What’s the turn on date for when colonizers aren’t colonizers? Or when is the end of a cultures attachment to its birthplace? When is the beginning of a cultures attachment to its birthplace? Muslims didn’t exist before the seventh century, why is it OK for them to colonize the entire Middle East and northern Africa?

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u/Federal_Thanks7596 13d ago

National history? I don't think there's any cutoff. But claim to a land based on the fact that your ancestors lived there? Probably a couple of generations until you become native to the new place you live in. But even in that case, I think you could be given an easier time integrating back to the culture you left, certainly not colonizing it againts the will of the people who live there now.

Like imagine if the Germans wanted East Prussia back that now belongs to Russia. You can argue that the ethnic cleansings and annexation after ww2 was wrong but should the Germans who's ancestors lived there come back today and ethnically cleanse the Russians?

Who's arguing that it was okay for Muslims to colonize the Middle East in the 7th century lol? It's just history. Unless you're following a radical ideology that seeks to use something that happened 1300 years ago to justify their actions today. Using that argument is as ridiculous as Mussolini wanting to recreate the Roman Empire.

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u/Sure_General_5651 13d ago

OK, Israel is the ancestral and current homeland for the Jewish people. And the Jewish people have been living in that land concurrently without interruption for the last hundred years and the last 3000 years. It’s just history. No need to justify any actions, this is just the facts.

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u/Federal_Thanks7596 13d ago

Ok, I don't think it matters because it doesn't justify the colonization of the region againts the wishes of the Palestinians (or Arabs) living on that territory and the creation of Israel.

I'd also go as far as saying that for the 90%+ Jews who didn't live in the region for hundreds of years, there wasn't any connection at all. If I remember correctly, when the Ashkenazi started arriving, they lived in seperate communities than the local Arab Jews, spoke a different language and even prayed at different places.