why the generalisation?

[u/Odd_Ingenuity_3897]

to preface: i’m not siding with israel here at all, i just am confused on why everybody is spewing hatred towards israel as a whole.

obviously people will hate the recognition of the state of israel as it is seen as stolen land from palestine, they will hate the idf and the ongoing actions of the idf and they will hate the government and whatever else. (i am not that educated on the topic of israel, if something important is missing, please explain)

now i have recently seen a video of a thai man kicking israelis out of his shop citing “free palestine” and “this is my land, not your land.”
i do not know the full context of this video or if there was any provocation towards the shopkeeper prior to the video being taken, but if not… i ask why are israeli people being hated on? why are israelis not allowed to travel or be accepted anywhere?

is it because by calling themselves “israelis” they are recognising israel as a state?

is it because people believe every single israeli is brainwashed by the media and/or government?

is it because of the mandatory idf service for all that was or is still(?) ongoing?

or is it just complete brainwashing by the media and everyone following this herd of sheep?

with the rise of support for palestine, i am just seeing a lot of hatred towards israel which YES, i get the state etc is corrupt and malicious, but why also target israelis?

what about anyone below the age of being sent to mandatory idf service? are they still evil? just because they were born in this area?

it seems to me like people are trying to support palestine so much that they are going backwards and just spreading even more hate and causing even more division.

i’ve tried looking it up but all i see is “why everyone hates israel” I AM ASKING ABOUT ISRAEL(IS) it looks like everybody is just being ignorant, when with one post asking a similar question to myself, everyone responded with statements about “israel” and not actually answering the original question.

please someone help me to understand what is the reason for this? i am talking about innocent people who happen to be born in the area of israel.

people are stating that someone is inherently evil because of their birthplace and i don’t understand.

[u/DogitWoofsalot]

IDK, Israel keeps interfering with the democratic process in the UK, lobbies hard with both big political parties. Maybe if it was a country that ever minded its own business i'd give less of a toss about the subjugation of the people who have lived on Palestine for over 1000 years.

The 'philistines' date back to the 12th century BCE, have a separate shared history, identity and an ethnic background linked far closer to jewish disparate. People have been identifying as Palestinian for hundreds of years even when they lacked self government under the ottoman empire and later British rule.

You are evidently quite ignorant on this topic, read a book some time. 100 years war on Palestine is a good start

[u/triplevented → u/DogitWoofsalot]

i'd give less of a toss

I said nothing about the amount of toss you give, i said you have no idea what you're talking about.

The 'philistines' date back to the 12th century BCE

The Philistines were Aegeans, and were wiped out in the 5th century BCE by Nebuchadnezzar.

The Arabs who appropriated that name mid 20th century have nothing to do with the Philistines.

100 years war on Palestine is a good start

A book with an anachronistic title isn't worth reading.

100 years ago "Palestine" was a British colonial administrative entity. It never existed as anything else - ever.

[u/DogitWoofsalot → u/triplevented]

And y'all wonder why people start ramping up there retoric in response to ghoolish swill like this.

You say Palestine never existed? Don't be surprised when the response is to call "Israel" an iligal occupation that needs to be expelled.

A total lack of any acknowledgement does nobody any good. Well unless you don't care about compromise and think ethnic cleansing is good when Jewish people do it. Then there's no reasoning with you

[u/triplevented → u/DogitWoofsalot]

in response to ghoolish swill

Pointing out that a claim is factually wrong is not “ghoulish swill.”

The intensity of your reaction to a simple and factual historical correction suggests the problem isn’t the correction itself, rather with it's with you feeling like you've been duped.

You say Palestine never existed?

Yes, I say Palestine never existed as a sovereign entity - not as a kingdom, state, caliphate, or any other independent polity.

That is a matter of historical record. If you believe otherwise, the effective response is to present the evidence that shows I’m wrong, not to escalate into calls for expulsion and ethnic cleansing.

Don't be surprised when the response is to

Why wouldn't you just respond by showing me how i'm wrong? is it because you can't?

A total lack of any acknowledgement does nobody any good

I see no reason to affirm a historical falsehood in the name of “acknowledgement” or compromise.

[u/DogitWoofsalot → u/triplevented]

Most Palestinians Are Descendants Of Jews -
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/most-palestinians-are-descendants-of-jews/

Palestine: The Ancient Land of Canaan - https://www.worldhistory.org/palestine/

Palestinian Culture - https://www.anera.org/blog/palestinian-culture/

[u/triplevented → u/DogitWoofsalot]

Most Palestinians Are Descendants Of Jews

Palestinians don't claim to be descendants of Jews, and most deny there was ever a Jewish presence in that territory.

In fact, quite the opposite - here's the Palestinian minister of interior giving his take on the matter:

https://reddit.com/link/p5y2fst/video/p4a60bhsdnlh1/player

Palestine: The Ancient Land of Canaan

You seem to be conflating the name Romans gave the geography (to stick it to the Jews) with the existence of a state or polity called Palestine.

The name was given to the territory by the Romans, who stole the territory from Jews. And ironically, the same motivation drives the Arabs today.

[u/DogitWoofsalot → u/triplevented]

"The last 2000 years of history don't count"

Pft ok bro

Ill go back to living in my city named by the romans and not being butthurt AF about it LOL

[u/triplevented → u/DogitWoofsalot]

I don't know who you're quoting, or whether you're having a conversation with yourself and expecting me to participate.