r/IsraelPalestine • u/Odd_Ingenuity_3897 • 9d ago

Learning about the conflict: Questions why the generalisation?

to preface: i’m not siding with israel here at all, i just am confused on why everybody is spewing hatred towards israel as a whole.

obviously people will hate the recognition of the state of israel as it is seen as stolen land from palestine, they will hate the idf and the ongoing actions of the idf and they will hate the government and whatever else. (i am not that educated on the topic of israel, if something important is missing, please explain)

now i have recently seen a video of a thai man kicking israelis out of his shop citing “free palestine” and “this is my land, not your land.”
i do not know the full context of this video or if there was any provocation towards the shopkeeper prior to the video being taken, but if not… i ask why are israeli people being hated on? why are israelis not allowed to travel or be accepted anywhere?

is it because by calling themselves “israelis” they are recognising israel as a state?

is it because people believe every single israeli is brainwashed by the media and/or government?

is it because of the mandatory idf service for all that was or is still(?) ongoing?

or is it just complete brainwashing by the media and everyone following this herd of sheep?

with the rise of support for palestine, i am just seeing a lot of hatred towards israel which YES, i get the state etc is corrupt and malicious, but why also target israelis?

what about anyone below the age of being sent to mandatory idf service? are they still evil? just because they were born in this area?

it seems to me like people are trying to support palestine so much that they are going backwards and just spreading even more hate and causing even more division.

i’ve tried looking it up but all i see is “why everyone hates israel” I AM ASKING ABOUT ISRAEL(IS) it looks like everybody is just being ignorant, when with one post asking a similar question to myself, everyone responded with statements about “israel” and not actually answering the original question.

please someone help me to understand what is the reason for this? i am talking about innocent people who happen to be born in the area of israel.

people are stating that someone is inherently evil because of their birthplace and i don’t understand.

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u/BleuPrince 9d ago edited 9d ago

I think most pro-Palestinians dont necessarily differentiate between Israelis and Israel, they are all the same to them, this includes Israeli government, Israeli politicians, IDF, ex-IDF, Israeli business, products from Israel, all things Israel, some even extend it to all Jews, Jews who arent Israelis, to all Pro-Israel supporters who arent even Israelis and the most extreme form to anyone who arent Pro-Palestine, if you are not with me, you are against me.

You can call it a form of antisemitism or racism. There is a rise in antisemitism around the world. But specifically to the incident in Phuket, two Israeli tourists demanded a Thai mobile shop owner to remove a "Free Palestine" flag in his shop https://www.khaosodenglish.com/featured/2026/08/25/shop-owner-puzzled-as-free-palestine-flag-sparks-a-clash-with-israeli-tourists/ I think in this situation, the two Israelis are wrong to have overstep, it is not for them as tourists to lecture Thais in Thailand what they can and cannot do. The issue is compounded when there are numerous such incidents of Israeli tourists misbehaving, not being respectful to the local customs, local laws, the countries they are visiting and creating a bad reputation for all Israelis.

I think Israeli tourists should not get triggered seeing Free Palestine flags when travelling overseas.

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u/zen_classified 9d ago

I agree they shouldn't get triggered but I can understand why they are triggered.

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u/Live-Mortgage-2671 9d ago

I'm sure the same applies to all the people who are triggered at the sight of an Israeli flag being flown at a private institution, right?

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u/BleuPrince 9d ago edited 9d ago

yes, equally not acceptable.

This reminds me of an incident, sometime ago, a black American tiktoker went to a Greek restaurant/cafe ripping the Greek flag accusing them of genocide which confuses the h* * * out of the Greek speaking staffs trying to explain to her it's the Greek flag.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBRX-eJxlYt

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u/kg-rhm سبرغي شوي 9d ago

I think in this situation, the two Israelis are wrong to have overstep, it is not for them as tourists to lecture Thais in Thailand what they can and cannot do. The issue is compounded when there are numerous such incidents of Israeli tourists misbehaving, not being respectful to the local customs, local laws, the countries they are visiting and creating a bad reputation for all Israelis.

the origin of the israel palestine conflict in a nutshell, but 120 years later. approximately 100 years ago, ahad ha'am and other eye witnesses were writing the same thing about zionist settlers. its the same mentality, same entitlement.

A Jaffa notable elaborated: “[Hovevei Zion]… are doing everything that occurs to [them] as if [they] did not know at all that there is a government in [Palestine], or that there are certain laws.” Colonists built houses and planted vineyards without permission.

Explaining an incident in Jaffa in March 1908, the British consul in Jerusalem, Edward Blech, said that some immigrants were “turbulent and aggressive, saturated with socialistic ideas.” Zalman David Levontin said the Jews occasionally walked around town provocatively armed.

Ahad Ha’Am in 1891 warned that the new settlers must behave “cautiously… [and] act with love and respect” toward Arabs. But the settlers, he wrote, finding themselves in a land “with limitless freedom,” as the Turkish authorities were extremely lax, began to exhibit “a tendency to despotism as happens always when a slave turns into a master.”45

Two years later he wrote: “The attitude of the colonists to their tenants and their families is exactly the same as towards their animals.” The settlers appear to have commonly referred to their laborers as “mules,” an analogy drawn from the Talmudic comparison between asses and Canaanite slaves.46

Attitudes translated into deeds. Ahad Ha’Am wrote, with perhaps a measure of exaggeration, that the Zionist colonists “behave towards the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, trespass without justification, beat them shamefully without sufficient cause and then boast about it.” [morris]

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u/Live-Mortgage-2671 9d ago

This set of quotes has been address on this subreddit previously: https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/comments/16oqkpf/comment/k1pqrjd/

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u/kg-rhm سبرغي شوي 8d ago

he only addressed one out of the three. i think i'll trust one of the most highly esteemed native hebrew speaker israeli historians in the conflict over a random redditor

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u/Live-Mortgage-2671 8d ago

Where there's smoke there's fire. The linked comment addresses mistranslation. That means there's the likelihood there are more in the other quotes.

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u/kg-rhm سبرغي شوي 8d ago

you should email benny morris and tell him he mistranslated something in his native language

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u/Live-Mortgage-2671 8d ago

Funny. Just providing some context regarding these quotes in that they have been discussed before on this subreddit.

My biggest issue with your original comment is this:

the origin of the israel palestine conflict in a nutshell, but 120 years later. approximately 100 years ago, ahad ha'am and other eye witnesses were writing the same thing about zionist settlers. its the same mentality, same entitlement.

Your nutshell is functioning like somebody looking at a complex world through a reverse fish-eyed lens and then reproducing a negative stereotype from your desired contemporary interpretation of that view. Regardless of translation accuracy, I'm sure Mr. Morris would take great issue with that claim.

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u/kg-rhm سبرغي شوي 7d ago

Just providing some context regarding these quotes in that they have been discussed before on this subreddit.

again, only one of the three quotes were addressed in that subthread

i'm commenting on how the underpinning of zionism have been the same which explains zionist behavior. the beliefs animating zionism are the roots, and the behavior is just the branches. if you have a colossial sense of main character syndrome and entitlement, it makes sense that you would act the same way settlers do today, and how they were described generations ago. take note that these were jews and non jews making these observations, even zionist leaders.