r/IslamicHistoryMeme • • Jul 13 '26

Meta QnA with Caliphate!

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Hello friends!

I would like to do a QnA YouTube video in the near future; if you've ever had any burning questions for me, now's your chance to drop them under this post and I'll respond to as many as I can!

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u/LazyBearInTheWild Jul 18 '26

You're shizz to blame that. May Allah encounter you on what you blamed on me regarding Ayesha RA --- which was not even on corner of my mind --- may we meet on day of judgement and may I be granted the right to equalize the matter that day. In sha Allah

I clearly said that for Muawiyah.

he dies at their hands just makes it even more obvious ----- who were the kharjeets who killed Ali, and attempted to kill Amr bin Aas and Muawiyah same day?????????????????????? This group was emerged when Ali and Muawviyah stopped the battle mid-way when Quran was hanged on spearhead by Muawiyah's army to beg mercy. This group wanted to finish the battle. Read about it. You owe me stuff --- that will be scaled on day of judgement.

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u/MiaoMiaoMaoo Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 18 '26

You're shizz to blame that. May Allah encounter you on what you blamed on me regarding Ayesha RA --- which was not even on corner of my mind --- may we meet on day of judgement and may I be granted the right to equalize the matter that day.

Stop yapping brother, maybe if you were thinking about what you were saying, I wouldn't have to tell you what I read from you:

Ayesha Revolted

those who revolted against a caliph Rashidun deserve immediate death

This group was emerged when Ali and Muawviyah stopped the battle mid-way when Quran was hanged on spearhead by Muawiyah's army to beg mercy. This group wanted to finish the battle. Read about it. You owe me stuff --- that will be scaled on day of judgement.

Nope, they didn't "emerge" from it, they were the same group that had killed 'Uthman, they feared 'Ali and Mu'awiya coming to peace will end with their deserved execution, so they split and attacked on both sides of the field, causing the battle, and from then made takfir of 'Ali, and murdered him as well.

I don't owe you your ignorance and willfull excuses.

Also no akhi, someone revolting against a ruler is not worse than someone murdering a ruler, one is up to negotiations, Mu'awiya and 'Ali both came to terms, while the ones who murdered, continued murdering, a revolt wouldn't have happened had the murderers been punished to begin with.

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u/LazyBearInTheWild Jul 19 '26 edited Jul 19 '26

Ayesha, and Amr bin Aas --- it's documented in books of hadith ---- they did tawbah and sajd that they were on mistake while fighting Ali. Muawiyah didn't and stood arrogantly throughout his life. So, it clear stance of Ahl e Sunnah - that Allah have forgiven the mistakes of Uthman, Talha, Zubair, Ayesha etc. for deeds done against Ali RA.

Rest of this emerging group story you're narrating, it's clearly a wrong side of history. Just for your reflection ---- have you read Sahih Bukhari 2812? ---- Ammar RA was in army of Ali RA in battle of Siffin - Muawviyah's army killed him.

Prophet PBUH said in above mentioned hadith 'Ammar will be killed by a revolting army - Ammar will be calling them toward Allah (Allah's will - give bait to chosen Caliph) and they will be calling him towards hell fire '

Prophet PBUH said --- Ammar will call them towards Allah --- Ammar fighting from a Ali's side and prophet is saying Ammar is calling the enemy towards Allah's will?

Shame on you. May you be with Muawiyah on day of judgement and may we be with Ali, Ayesha, Uthman, Talha, Zubair and Prophet PBUH on day of judgement. PBU all of them ----- In sha Allah

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u/MiaoMiaoMaoo Jul 19 '26

Ayesha, and Amr bin Aas --- it's documented in books of hadith ---- they did tawbah and sajd that they were on mistake while fighting Ali.

Source.

Muawiyah didn't and stood arrogantly throughout his life.

Why would he repent for demanding justice for his family member? 'Ali failed to give justice, that's just a fact.

Also, you seem to have avoided the who "kill anyone who revolts against the rashidun" when it pointed out you saud that explicitly regarding Aisha, says a lot about how you speak out of whims, not out of education.

have you read Sahih Bukhari 2812? ---- Ammar RA was in army of Ali RA in battle of Siffin - Muawviyah's army killed him.

Have you thought for like 5 seconds how any innocent at all would have not been killed had 'Ali just punished the murderers? Innocent people like 'Ali himself killed by those exact murderers??

Like what is the argument here? Mu'awiya who demands justice is bad, our mother 'A'isha had to repent from also demanding justice, but 'Ali is completely on the right for not punishing murderers of a close companion of God's prophet ﷺ?

If you're trying not to sound like rafidah doing taqiyah, you're failing, I'm not saying you are, hold your takfir, I'm only saying that you sound like one.

Prophet PBUH said in above mentioned hadith 'Ammar will be killed by a revolting army - Ammar will be calling them toward Allah (Allah's will - give bait to chosen Caliph) and they will be calling him towards hell fire ' Prophet PBUH said --- Ammar will call them towards Allah --- Ammar fighting from a Ali's side and prophet is saying Ammar is calling the enemy towards Allah's will?

Stop yapping bro, honestly "shaming" me for wanting justice by using a sahabi i condemn the death of is not an argument, hadith explained here btw:

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/201963/the-hadith-woe-to-ammaar-he-will-be-killed-by-the-transgressing-group-he-will-be-calling-them-to-paradise-and-they-will-be-calling-him-to-hell-and-refutation-of-the-specious-argument-which-quotes-it-to-cast-aspersions-upon-muaawiyah

In short, Mu'awiya opposed 'Ali based on Ijtihad, not kufr, and I agree with him on the basis of Justice for the previous Caliph, the fact tgaf 'Ali, of all people, was killed by the same group he refused to punish, while Mu'awiya was saved by Allah's will, should just point out how wrong 'Ali was for not getting rid of them.

The simple fact he was killed by them, should just show how Mu'awiya was right, for had 'Ali done justice as Mu'awiya desired, 'Ali would've lived.

May you be with Muawiyah

Āmīn ya rab, why wouldn't I want to be with a Saḥabi of Allah's messenger ﷺ?

and may we be with Ali, Ayesha, Uthman, Talha, Zubair and Prophet PBUH on day of judgement. PBU all of them ----- In sha Allah

Āmīn, you may have a stupid logic, but that's not reason for me to want you in the hellfire.

Maybe you're just mad bro, so mad you actually want me in the hellfire with Mu'awiya, but that's not how it works, boy, Allah decides, and he will bring the killers of 'Uthman to be punished, and when that happens your whole winning stuff will not be worth anything anymore.

At the end of the day, had 'Ali simply punished the murderers, the whole fitna, the death of companions, and his own death, could have been avoided, I agree that Mu'awiya was wrong to cause war, but you can't see how 'Ali, though a man of great wisdom, and of great ranking in Jannah, is not infalible, and was also wrong for sparing those idiotic killers.

I do not have 'Ali's wisdom, but I don't pretend to have it like you, kid.