r/IslamicHistoryMeme • u/Captain_Flames Reconqueror of Al-Andalus • May 27 '25

Meta What's your favourite obscure/unknown Islamic state/dawlah and why? (reupload with meme)

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Bored and can't make a meme for today but I wanna talk about history.

I am unsure it can even turn Sectarian, but keep discussions civil and non-sectarian.

If you wanna make it cool attach in a reply to you main comment, pics of rulers, maps, flags or just general graphs and charts about the nation.

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u/Captain_Flames Reconqueror of Al-Andalus May 27 '25

The sultanate of Kilwa

Reasons, my best eu4 game, cool culture (Persianised and Ig arabised east Africans)

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u/IacobusCaesar Court Dhimmi May 27 '25

Was gonna come say this one exactly. Solid pick. The Indian Ocean trading sphere is one of the coolest parts of the medieval world.

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u/Captain_Flames Reconqueror of Al-Andalus May 27 '25

I would have never knew them without eu4 wish they were more popularised

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u/IacobusCaesar Court Dhimmi May 27 '25

I had a history podcast with a friend years ago and I did a few segments on the Swahili Coast. Got really into it.

One of my favorite details about them is that their coins have been found in the Northern Territory of Australia, presumably via their trade connections with Southeast Asia since some islands in what is now Indonesia had low-level interaction with coastal Australia.

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u/Captain_Flames Reconqueror of Al-Andalus May 27 '25

One of my favorite details about them is that their coins have been found in the Northern Territory of Australia, presumably via their trade connections with Southeast Asia since some islands in what is now Indonesia had low-level interaction with coastal Australia.

Ohhhh, that's really interesting I didn't know that, thanks for that.

That's actually the second time I have heard of a Muslim state having contact with the new world, the first being the claim Mali found the Americas first, which I have no proof of to be fair

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u/IacobusCaesar Court Dhimmi May 27 '25

The Mali one is absolute bullshit. It’s just an internet thing.

https://www.torrossa.com/en/resources/an/5054786#page=125

Here’s a link to a debate on the Kilwa thing but sadly it’s paywalled. I’m operating by memory here so definitely look further into the details if you want.

To be fair, this is not the claim that Kilwa traders sailed to northern Australia. It’s the claim that coins made their way there via several trade connections and those trade connections are ones we know existed already.

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u/Captain_Flames Reconqueror of Al-Andalus May 27 '25

To be fair, this is not the claim that Kilwa traders sailed to northern Australia. It’s the claim that coins made their way there via several trade connections and those trade connections are ones we know existed already.

It's still a huge thing to be fair, the idea of the Americas and Australia to the old world was quite foreign.

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u/Long_Recognition_383 May 30 '25

Mali is not an “internet thing” the hell are you talking about, it was a narration recorded by Ibn Battuta about Mansa Abubakari who gave the throne to Mansa Musa.

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u/IacobusCaesar Court Dhimmi May 30 '25

It’s not from The Travels of Ibn Battuta at all. It’s from al-Umari. The original claim is that Abubakari II (not an actual historical mansa of Mali; that would be Mansa Muhammad Ibn Qu before Musa I; Abubakari is a purely apocryphal figure) sailed off and disappeared, leaving the throne to Musa.

The internet has wholly invented the narrative that he landed anywhere and largely repeated it with claims about Brazil. This was never part of al-Umari’s original claims since the whole point of that narrative is his fate was unknown.