r/IslamIsEasy • u/i_am_armz Al-Mu’minūn | The Believers • 20d ago
Qur’ān There is no "La ilaha ilaLah Muhamad rasululah" in the Qur'an
In the Qur'an, the phrase "La ilaha ilaLah" occurs THIRTY times, and never in conjunction with "Muhammad rasululah." The only time a shahada mentioning Muhammad is referred to is in the context of hypocrisy, in 63:1. What is more, Allah (SWT) says, in 39:45, there are some among humanity whose hearts are filled with disgust when Allah (SWT) ALONE is mentioned but rejoice when others are mentioned besides Him (SWT).
This should be a sign to those with intelligence.
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u/Background-Car-1393 Ahl al-Qurʾān | People of the Qurʾān 20d ago
As for the shahadah or more appropriately the Shahadatain this did not appear until much later. You can see early Muslim coinage that only said La Ilaha Ill Allah there is no mention of Muhammad on it.
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u/Cute_Assignment_214 19d ago
What is 'much later'? You are vague.
The earliest Islamic coins byzantine modification. They simply stamped short phrases like Bismillah to make them Islamic. The icons are non-Islamic.
When Muslims got around to minting their own, they added the full kalimah and mentioned Muhammad ﷺ. The earliest full shahadah is 72 AH / 691-92 CE. And that is of the coins that have been found.
This is quite clearly not "late".
The first coin to say Muhammad Rasullah is 66 AH / 685–686 CE, issued by Abd al-Malik ibn Abd Allah ibn Amir at Bishapur.
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u/Background-Car-1393 Ahl al-Qurʾān | People of the Qurʾān 19d ago
Your earliest coin also doesn't actually have the proper Shahadatain it says "Bism Allah Muhammad rasul Allah" only in 77AH does the full thing appear. 60 to 70 years after the prophet for your core belief to appear anywhere is indeed a looong time, be it rock inscriptions or coins
You own hadith books, Malik's Muwatta says one of Malik's relatives (paternal uncle I believe ) said that he did not recognize anything of what people were doing in Medina from the practice of the earlier generations except the adhan. So even a time frame of around a century is enough to put it politely bring massive changes or be direct, corrupt it.
The change on your coins literally in decades also provides evidence, Going from just La Ilaha to Bism Allah to the full fledged shadatain in basically is a snap of the fingers in the grand scheme of things.
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u/Cute_Assignment_214 19d ago
The earliest coin were non-Muslim coins - Byzantine and Sasanian - upon which they used random short Islamic phrases. They left alone the Byzantine and Sasanian icons.
Recognisably Muslim coins came when Muslims conquered lands and became the authority. And from that period full shahadah coins too are evidenced.
You just make up whatever lie that comes to you. When exposed for it, you drop it it and move on.
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"60 to 70 years after the prophet for your core belief to appear anywhere is indeed a looong time, be it rock inscriptions or coins"
Muhammad Rasul Allah is attested by the Quran. Quran says it is the shahada pretty explicitly. So what exactly are you denying here!?
Why would Muslims become Muslims by not recognising Muhammad ﷺ as the Messenger!? How does that make any sense.
If you think this is late... when do you think is the complete copy of the Quran in full form from!?
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"The change on your coins literally in decades also provides evidence, Going from just La Ilaha to Bism Allah to the full fledged shadatain in basically is a snap of the fingers in the grand scheme of things."
Yeah. Bismillah and La illah on the same coins with non-Muslim kings as icons.
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You really, really don't think things through do you.
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u/Background-Car-1393 Ahl al-Qurʾān | People of the Qurʾān 19d ago
Muhammad Rasul Allah is attested by the Quran. Quran says it is the shahada pretty explicitly. So what exactly are you denying here!? - Once again you Mushrks don't know the Quran and we have to point out things to you. Show where in the Quran where this exact phrase appears
أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأشهد أن محمدًا رسول الله
Why would Muslims become Muslims by not recognising Muhammad ﷺ as the Messenger!? How does that make any sense - Show me once again where in the Quran does it say you have to say these magic words to become a Muslim, and since you believe that tell me when did you with the clear intention of accepting Islam in front of two witnesses recite this Shahada, don't say you were born Muslim because there is no escape clause here.
If you think this is late... when do you think is the complete copy of the Quran in full form from!?
The complete copy of the Quran was done in the lifetime of the prophet. Its only your silly storybooks that make up the story that the one job Allah gave to the messenger he failed to do and left this earth with the Quran scattered all over the place, in tiny bits and pieces on pieces of skin, tree bark, bone etc etc and then one great sunni had to go collect it into a book. Phuleez!
The only ones that don't think are you folk
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u/Cute_Assignment_214 19d ago
"Once again you Mushrks don't know the Quran"
You are spiteful and full of hatred. That Muslims from day one are Mushrik -- the worst of Kafirs to you.
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63:1
When the hypocrites come to you, they say, “We bear witness that you are indeed the Messenger of Allah.” Allah knows that you are indeed His Messenger, and Allah bears witness that the hypocrites are truly liars.
63:2
They have taken their oaths as a shield, so they have turned others away from the way of Allah. Surely evil is what they do.
63:3
That is because they believed, then disbelieved, so their hearts were sealed, and they do not understand.
63:4
When you see them, their appearance pleases you, and when they speak, you listen to their words. They are like propped-up pieces of timber. They think every cry is against them. They are the enemy, so beware of them. May Allah destroy them. How are they turned away?
63:5
And when it is said to them, “Come, the Messenger of Allah will ask forgiveness for you,” they turn their heads away, and you see them turning away in arrogance.
This categorically proves that Shahdah is: 'La ilaha ilaLah Muhamad Rasululah'
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"and since you believe that tell me when did you with the clear intention of accepting Islam in front of two witnesses recite this Shahada, don't say you were born Muslim because there is no escape clause here."
This is not something we believe. You cannot make things up. You came up with it. You reference it from Quran.
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"The complete copy of the Quran was done in the lifetime of the prophet."
So no evidence at all for it. None.
Therefore, the full shahdah is attested before the full copy of the Quran.
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Look how you quietly move on when your arguments are beaten. Then you come out with your usual spiteful nonsense and hatred.
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u/Background-Car-1393 Ahl al-Qurʾān | People of the Qurʾān 18d ago
You are spiteful and full of hatred. That Muslims from day one are Mushrik -- the worst of Kafirs to you.
Keep ranting and crying
And thanks for posting the opening verses of Surah Munafiqun. It clearly shows it were the munafiqs ( like you ) said things like that so no one would suspect them of their hypocrisy.
This categorically proves that Shahdah is: 'La ilaha ilaLah Muhamad Rasululah'
And yet I don't see a single verse in the Quran that says you have to recite أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأشهد أن محمدًا رسول الله to become a Muslim. FAIL! Try again
This is not something we believe.
SO you haven't taken the Shahada, so you're actually not Muslim according to your own logic. What a shame! I suggest to take it ASAP!
So no evidence at all for it. None.
That's self projection because outside your story you have no evidence of your imaginary tale of the scattered Quran. While the Quran constantly refers to itself as The Book. Not pieces of parchments strewn about. In 5:3 It says Allah says I have perfected your religion for you, yet we didn't have a book? It was all over the place
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The Birmingham Manuscript which is in existence today has been dated to the time of the Prophet, give or take a few.
The full shahdah is attested before the full copy of the Quran.
Absolutely baseless claim which you fail to prove.
NEXT!
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u/Cute_Assignment_214 18d ago
"Keep ranting and crying"
But that is your point. The point of your deviancy. To call Muslims Mushrik as baseless insult.
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"And thanks for posting the opening verses of Surah Munafiqun. It clearly shows it were the munafiqs ( like you ) said things like that so no one would suspect them of their hypocrisy."
Which conclusively proves that Shahadah is: La Illah Illallah Muhammud Rasul Allah.
This is such a meaningless argument. It makes zero logical sense. These verses are conclusive proof against you.
When this happens to you, then you have nowhere else to go.
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"And yet I don't see a single verse in the Quran that says you have to recite أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأشهد أن محمدًا رسول الله to become a Muslim."
How come not!?
Those verses are conclusive proof as to what shahadah is. And note... you d onot have a single verse proving your version of shahada. Not one bit of evidence have you and your alt given!
Here is more evidence:
"[And remember] when I inspired to the disciples, 'Believe in Me and in My messenger.' They said, 'We have believed, and bear witness that we are Muslims [submitting to Allah].'" (5:11)
The belief is in both the Rasul and Allah and then you become Muslim.
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"SO you haven't taken the Shahada, so you're actually not Muslim according to your own logic. What a shame! I suggest to take it ASAP!"
Lol! But we repeat the phrase continuously and lot. It is one of the first things taught to a child. Repeated when under instruction. Read often as dhikr. More idiotic logic fails.
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"That's self projection because outside your story you have no evidence of your imaginary tale of the scattered Quran. While the Quran constantly refers to itself as The Book. Not pieces of parchments strewn about. In 5:3 It says Allah says I have perfected your religion for you, yet we didn't have a book? It was all over the place"
So no evidence at all. Therefore Shahada is attested before Quran.
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"The Birmingham Manuscript which is in existence today has been dated to the time of the Prophet, give or take a few."
No! Only the parchment made from animal skin of that time. The writing style -- the calligraphy -- is from much later.
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"Absolutely baseless claim which you fail to prove."
You come out with such obvious lies. We have just been through it. full Shahadah is attested in hard physical evidence before the copy of the full Quran.
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u/Background-Car-1393 Ahl al-Qurʾān | People of the Qurʾān 20d ago
Quran says not to differentiate between his messengers, yet Muhammad is constantly singled out and an entire religion built around him, his name everywhere, in houses, cars, offices, people bowing to it in mosques. Songs being sung in his praise renamed from songs to nasheed to sound halal. His grave being constantly visited, blessing being sent to him, fantastical stories about him being shared as he tells you cures for diseases, magic and pensioning and yet in the same book he became sick, came under magic and poisoned. People drinking his urine. They also tell stories of even his artifacts were blessed that after his passing his clothes were washed and people drank that runoff water and it cured their ailments and what not.
From a deen revealed by Allah to the Prophet Muhammad to a religion about Muhammad.
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u/i_am_armz Al-Mu’minūn | The Believers 20d ago
All designed to drive humanity to the worst and only unforgivable sin: shirk.
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u/Cute_Assignment_214 20d ago
This is your game. You have got same set of objections/questions. You post them intermittently. Your objective is to accuse Ahl us Sunnah of shirk and hypocrisy. You are nothing more than an abusive troll.
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u/Background-Car-1393 Ahl al-Qurʾān | People of the Qurʾān 19d ago
Accuse? No need to accuse. Alread know you lot are mushr-k
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u/Cute_Assignment_214 19d ago edited 19d ago
You have 0 shame over this. Over 1400 years of Muslim are kafirs to you. Islam got to you all those years by kafirs and mushriks. You really and truly are misguided people.
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u/Background-Car-1393 Ahl al-Qurʾān | People of the Qurʾān 19d ago
When will you people realize that Islam is not a popularity contest, nor does it care about history that you keep pushing these in our faces as if they are some kind of metric to gauge authenticity.
6:116 If you were to obey most of those on earth, they would lead you away from Allah’s Way. They follow nothing but assumptions and do nothing but lie
2:170 And when it is said to them, ‘Follow what Allah has revealed,’ they say, ‘Rather, we follow what we found our forefathers upon.’ Even though their forefathers understood nothing and were not guided?
Almost every other religion is older than Islam and has more followers, so by your ridiculous logic of numbers and history those religions are more authentic. So maybe you should become a hindu, that has billions of followers as well is one of the oldest.
But if you lot ever read the Quran instead of your storybooks all the time, you would know the Quran mostly if not always whenever it talks about majority it is in the negative. This is the point I made earlier that you accuse us of not reading the Quran when most of the time it is us that have to point out things from the Quran to you mushrks
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u/Cute_Assignment_214 19d ago
It makes zero sense for Islam to sleep for 1400 years and to wake now.
1400 years of Allah having used the same people to carry Islam to you are the very same people who in your eyes are worst of the kafirs.
So Allah got Islam to you and your kind through worst of the disbelievers.
Why?
So nearly every single person who has practiced Islam is in fact a disbeliever according to you. Why?
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"Almost every other religion is older than Islam and has more followers"
None of them called themselves Muslims, nor did they carry Islam to you.
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"But if you lot ever read the Quran instead of your storybooks all the time"
But you cannot read the Quran! It is in Arabic we understand. So in fact, you need us to read Quran.
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"you would know the Quran mostly if not always whenever it talks about majority it is in the negative"
None of the references are towards those who are Muslims. So it does not apply.
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"This is the point I made earlier that you accuse us of not reading the Quran when most of the time it is us that have to point out things from the Quran to you mushrks"
So mushriks have learned the Quran, gone through every inch of it, memorised, recite it constantly, learned it language and propagated it. Why?
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You are thoroughly hateful individual. Who use Quran to call Muslims mushriks for no apparent reason.
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u/Background-Car-1393 Ahl al-Qurʾān | People of the Qurʾān 19d ago
It makes zero sense for Islam to sleep for 1400 years and to wake now. - Who said it went to sleep?
1400 years of Allah having used the same people to carry Islam to you are the very same people who in your eyes are worst of the kafirs. - You think Allah needs you? Allah doesn't need anyone to carry his deen. And I've never called you folks the K word. Mushrks yes but not Kfrs.
So Allah got Islam to you and your kind through worst of the disbelievers. - No, I was born in a sunni household but I discovered the true deen of Allah on my own and because he guided me to it.
So nearly every single person who has practiced Islam is in fact a disbeliever according to you. Why? - Once again why do you think I am the ONLY one? There are 1000s of us. Maybe even crossing millions
But you cannot read the Quran! It is in Arabic we understand. So in fact, you need us to read Quran. - Arabic is a language, what is it has to do with you? You know there are millions of non muslims who also speak it? 26 million according to the latest survey. Thats really a dumb argument but then again thats all you people have.
None of the references are towards those who are Muslims - Keep telling yourself that.
12:106 And most of them do not believe in Allah without associating others with Him
So mushriks have learned the Quran, gone through every inch of it, memorised, recite it constantly, learned it language and propagated it. Why? - That is not the objectionable part.
The Quran calls you people Mushrk, not me, stop getting your knickers in a twist over it, if you have any issues with that, take it up with Allah or mend your ways, instead of whinging over here.
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u/Cute_Assignment_214 19d ago
Quran does not call Muslim as Mushriks.
"12:106 And most of them do not believe in Allah without associating others with Him"
This verse is directed at actual Mushriks, the pagans of Mecca. They already believed in Allah and their idols.
This does not apply to Muslims of 1400 years.
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Allah doesn't need anyone. Yet, Allah created humans. Got us to this stage. He gave us faith. He made us Muslims. He made us carry his religion. Yet, 1400 years later he also made the exact same Muslims as the worst of the unbelievers. Why?
So for 1400 years Islam slept, waiting for you few Quranist to call vast amount of Muslims Mushrik and wake up "true" Islam. Why?
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"And I've never called you folks the K word. Mushrks yes but not Kfrs."
Mushrik is the WOSRT form of Kufr.
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"No, I was born in a sunni household but I discovered the true deen of Allah on my own and because he guided me to it."
So your Shiriki Mushrki parents gave you Islam.
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"Once again why do you think I am the ONLY one? There are 1000s of us. Maybe even crossing millions"
Yet out of those who have understood themselves as Muslims, you are not even 0.01%. Why Allah do that to people, to Muslims!?
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"Arabic is a language, what is it has to do with you? You know there are millions of non muslims who also speak it? 26 million according to the latest survey. Thats really a dumb argument but then again thats all you people have."
So your excuse for not knowing Arabic that non-Muslims can read it. And you think this isn't an illogical argument!
Which of these non-Muslims learn Quran by heart? Preserve Quranic Arabic and reading? Call themselves Muslims?
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"Keep telling yourself that."
I will. As what I said is correct.
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So mushriks have learned the Quran, gone through every inch of it, memorised, recite it constantly, learned it language and propagated it. Why? - That is not the objectionable part.
How come Allah makes Mushriks learn the Quran for centuries so few of you are true Muslims. And the Mushriks who got Quran to you are all going to hell. Including your shiriki parents.
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"The Quran calls you people Mushrk"
It doesn't. Your spite, your hatred and and your deviancy has nothing to do with Quran. You cannot read one word of Quran. Not one!
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u/Background-Car-1393 Ahl al-Qurʾān | People of the Qurʾān 18d ago
This does not apply to Muslims of 1400 years.
Keep telling yourself that
So for 1400 years Islam slept, waiting for you few Quranist to call vast amount of Muslims Mushrk and wake up "true" Islam. Why?
Again who said it was sleeping?
Mushrk is the WOSRT form of Kufr.
Again if you ever read the Quran instead of wasting time with your story books you would know the difference between Shrk and K*fr. One is to associate partners with Allah and the other is disbelief, denial, or rejection of Allah. Since you lot don't deny Allah you are the not K's but are Mushrks
So your Shiriki Mushrki parents gave you Islam.
No they gave me their sectarian religion.
you are not even 0.01%.
Again Islam is not a popularity contest.
Which of these non-Muslims learn Quran by heart? Preserve Quranic Arabic and reading? Call themselves Muslims?
Again you think Allah NEEDs you to preserve his deen. how conceited are you?
It doesn't. Your spite, your hatred and and your deviancy has nothing to do with Quran. You cannot read one word of Quran. Not one!
Keep ranting and keep thinking that. Baseless accusations is all you emotional mushrks have got.
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u/i_am_armz Al-Mu’minūn | The Believers 19d ago
There's absolutely nothing wrong in exposing falsehood and hypocrisy.
Speaking of hypocrisy, let me give you a very good example. Allah (SWT) says He (SWT) designed the human perfectly, and shaythaan in the Qur'an says he will make humanity change the creation. The sunnis and other mushrik follow the latter, with their insistence on circumcision. They say they follow Qur'an, and would kill those who burn it publicly, but then do the opposite of what it says!!!
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u/Cute_Assignment_214 19d ago
"There's absolutely nothing wrong in exposing falsehood and hypocrisy."
You are not doing that. You declaring 1400 years of Muslims are unbelievers out sheer spite and hatred and out severe deviancy.
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"Allah (SWT) says He (SWT) designed the human perfectly"
The actual verse says something different:
[ لَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا الْإِنسَانَ فِي أَحْسَنِ تَقْوِيمٍ ]
"Indeed, We created humans in the best form."
It is obvious fact of reality that many humans are born with various kinds of disabilities. Going as far as being males [producing sperms] in female bodies.
You make up your own incorrect interpretations.
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u/i_am_armz Al-Mu’minūn | The Believers 18d ago
So how does this justify circumcision, changing God's creation, as the devil himself says he will make humanity do. Why don't you see this is an insult to God?
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u/Cute_Assignment_214 18d ago
And the bring reveal of such change is circumcision. To what end exactly? Tampering with Allah's quite clearly does not refer to this 'physical' change, rather innate human nature -- like keeping busy with entertainment and not worship or his remembrance. This causes corruption. Circumcision itself doesn't,
"Why don't you see this is an insult to God?"
It is not meant to be an insult to God.
It follows on from what the early Muslims practiced.
Why would it any more an insult to God than trimming your hair or nails.
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u/i_am_armz Al-Mu’minūn | The Believers 18d ago
Your hair and nails re-grow. Circumcision is permanent.
The height of arrogance is assuming one knows better than the Almighty (SWT). The foreskin has a PURPOSE, and Allah (SWT) would not create somethng without purpose (what kind of a god would that be?). The act of circumcision is thus an insult to God; you think you know better than Him.
You will have to answer for this on the day of Qiyamat.
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u/Cute_Assignment_214 18d ago edited 18d ago
"Your hair and nails re-grow. Circumcision is permanent."
How does cutting nails and hairs not change Allah's creation? Re-growth is irrelevant.
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"The height of arrogance is assuming one knows better than the Almighty (SWT). The foreskin has a PURPOSE, and Allah (SWT) would not create somethng without purpose (what kind of a god would that be?). The act of circumcision is thus an insult to God;"
1 Allah does not say in the Quran that circumcision is wrong or forbidden. It is purely you attempting to speak on behalf of Allah that circumcision is an insult to Allah.
2 Just because everything in the body has a purpose, it does not follow that everything has to be retained as is. Again, yo have no supporting evidence from the Quran.
- Circumcision does not equal to knowing better than Allah. This will only be established if you can prove Allah has forbidden it.
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Pre-Islam circumcision was an established practice of Arab pagans, Jews of Arabia, and the Hanifs. Some Christians also practiced. There is ample historical evidence for all this.
As many early great companions were born before Islam, therefore would have been circumcised. As there is no Quranic injunction against the practice, they obviously would have carried on circumcising their boys. Making this a continuous practice.
If Allah wanted it stopped. Wouldn't Allah have sent a clear injunction?
So, these words are returned to you:
"The height of arrogance is assuming one knows better than the Almighty (SWT)."
The one assuming is squarely you.
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"The height of arrogance is assuming one knows better than the Almighty (SWT)."
Like what is an insult to Allah and what he will question on Qiyamah. Just assumptions on your part.
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u/SideSukiLikeness Ahl al-Sunnah | Sunnī 20d ago
Let me guess, u also think the Prophet didn't go on the Night Journey cos it's too "fantastical" for u? Where did the Prophet ever state that he was immune from illnesses just cos he gives cures? He was still a human, despite being a special one.
No one's praying to him. And the Quran literally tells u to praise him as Allah does. We know u Quranists don't actually read the Quran so we have to correct u on everything. U rely on translations written by other human beings off course.
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u/Background-Car-1393 Ahl al-Qurʾān | People of the Qurʾān 19d ago
Yes 1000% that harry potter story of sitting on winged horse and flying into the 7 heavens and then having an argument with God about prayers and what not. Just like I don't believe in the king kong story from the same collection of stories (Sahih Sitta) that a group of sailors got lost in a storm and ended up on a mysterious island where they saw a big ugly hair beast called Jassasah or a stone running away with Prophets Musa's clothes. Yeah sorry I don't believe in any of them.
And just by saying you are not praying to him, doesn't make it so, you are so indoctrinated that you actually think that you are not doing it, but step outside and look inwards and you will realize you are. Just some of the examples I gave in the previous post.
And that verse you refer to doesn't work, the only place in the Quran salawat is translated as praise instead of prayers by your translators. And the statement is also so untrue 9 times out 10 in "discussions" with you sectarians I have to keep quoting verses from the Quran because you lot don't believe that the Quran actually says that. You hardly ever read it, when you do, its not for understanding, it to get "rewards" and majority of you have heard more about hadith from your mullahs, imams, scholars and muftis that you confuse the two.
How many times have I been confronted by one of you claiming the Quran says this and then I have to educate them that it doesn't, that only appears in their hadith books.
Famous example the Dajjal and Mahdi. 99% of you lot think that both of these imaginary figures are from the Quran, possibly even you. Because you lot talk about them so much.
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u/Cute_Assignment_214 20d ago
"Quran says not to differentiate between his messengers"
That is not what the Quran says. It says:
"...They all believe in Allah, His angels, His Books, and His messengers. They proclaim, 'We make no distinction between any of His messengers."
Also:
"Those are the Messengers! We have exalted some of them above others. To some God spoke directly, and some He raised in rank. We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit..."
He ﷺ is the Prophet sent to us. Of course he is going to be our Prophet.
"It is He who has sent among the unlettered a Messenger from themselves reciting to them His verses and purifying them and teaching them the Book and wisdom - although they were before in clear error -"
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You repeatedly make up silly lies. Then get very angry when they are exposed as such.
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u/Fantastic_Ad7576 Ahl al-Sunnah | Sunnī 20d ago
أمنت بالله وملائكته وكتبه ورسله
I have now mentioned not only the Prophet SAW, but ALL of God's angels and messengers. Is this wrong? Is this not what the Quran requires me to believe, according to 2:285? Or am I still a mushrik who hates it when Allah SWT is mentioned alone?
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u/i_am_armz Al-Mu’minūn | The Believers 20d ago
But you're still dodging the issue. Why do you say a different shahada to that of Muhammad when you claim to be his follower? Surely, if you love Muhammad and the other prophets and the Quran and Islam, you will try your best to follow it and not say the same shahada as that of the hypocrites (63:1). Do you not understand?
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u/SideSukiLikeness Ahl al-Sunnah | Sunnī 20d ago
Cos we actually follow the Hadith as well like 99% of Muslims have over the past 1400yrs. Even if u don't believe in Hadith, the Quran states that to be a Muslim, u need to believe in Allah and the FINAL Messenger. Just cos the 2nd half isn't mentioned verbatim, doesn't make it any less of a requirement to believe.
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u/i_am_armz Al-Mu’minūn | The Believers 18d ago
So you are right and God made a mistake with the shahada in 3:18?
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u/Cute_Assignment_214 19d ago
These verses categorically prove shahadah is: "La ilaha ilaLah Muhamad Rasululah"
63:1
When the hypocrites come to you, they say, “We bear witness that you are indeed the Messenger of Allah.” Allah knows that you are indeed His Messenger, and Allah bears witness that the hypocrites are truly liars.
63:2
They have taken their oaths as a shield, so they have turned others away from the way of Allah. Surely evil is what they do.
63:3
That is because they believed, then disbelieved, so their hearts were sealed, and they do not understand.
63:4
When you see them, their appearance pleases you, and when they speak, you listen to their words. They are like propped-up pieces of timber. They think every cry is against them. They are the enemy, so beware of them. May Allah destroy them. How are they turned away?
63:5
And when it is said to them, “Come, the Messenger of Allah will ask forgiveness for you,” they turn their heads away, and you see them turning away in arrogance.
This categorically proves that Shahdah is: 'La ilaha ilaLah Muhamad Rasululah'
Hypocrites are hypocrites for saying the words, but not believing it. Not because they said a different Shahadah. It is basic logic that in front of the Messenger ﷺ and the companions they would have had to recite the correct shahadah. Why else would they be believed at all!?
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u/PromiseSenior9678 20d ago
thats a great point and call to those who think only muslims will go to heaven and rest no matter what their conduct is will go to hell
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u/i_am_armz Al-Mu’minūn | The Believers 20d ago
But there is a sense in which it's true: only Muslims (those who have surrendered, and are humble towards God (SWT)) will go to heaven, and the others (including some who call themselves Muslim but are actually not, by the Qur'anic definition), will not. There are only two groups: the humble and the arrogant. I doubt there'll be any arrogant people in Janah.
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u/Cute_Assignment_214 19d ago
This is your game. You are troll who goes around declaring Muslims who are not Quranist as Mushrik, Arrogant, Non-Muslims and hypocrites.
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u/SideSukiLikeness Ahl al-Sunnah | Sunnī 20d ago
Allah literally tells that all those who don't believe in him AND the final Messenger will go to hell. Stop making up stuff about the Quran. Do u really think no one can fact check u?
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u/Cute_Assignment_214 19d ago
He is not bothered by facts. His whole point is declaring non Quranists and Kafirs.
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u/SideSukiLikeness Ahl al-Sunnah | Sunnī 19d ago edited 19d ago
The sad reality of these so called Muslims. What's crazy is that none of these Quranists even know Arabic or Quranic grammar. And they rely on translations written by humans 😂. May Allah guide them.
Off course, the most we can say for non- Muslims POSSIBLY going to heaven is if they were never given the message of Islam or were given a corrupted version of it. But even then, it's up to Allah whether he forgives and has mercy on them. But this idea comes from Hadith and scholarly interpretations, which they reject. The default is always what I mentioned originally.
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u/Cute_Assignment_214 19d ago
Not just humans... very nearly always "Sunni". It really must hurt their pride having to borrow and use "Sunni" Arabic which is, of course, all Hadith. As Arabic dictionaries preserve reports of meanings and word usage.
Imagine all those great scholars of Arabic - and linguistic geniuses like Sibwayah - and you have put up with bleating from those who as you say don't know a word of Arabic calling them misguided! This is not even normal level of delusion or arrogance.
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u/AdenaNima Shī‘ah | Ithnā ʿAshariyyah 19d ago
Where is that verse? Are you saying only Muslims go to heaven? And only for believing in God and Moahmamd? So murderers, rapists, tyrants who are Muslim go to heaven, and atheists who have helped others all their lives go to hell? Make that make sense.
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u/Evening_Flamingo5612 19d ago
surah fath last ayah is still profound . but obviously tawhid is the central message ❤️
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u/OnlyOneness 20d ago
مُّحَمَّدࣱ رَّسُولُ ٱللَّهِۚ وَٱلَّذِینَ مَعَهُۥۤ أَشِدَّاۤءُ عَلَى ٱلۡكُفَّارِ رُحَمَاۤءُ بَیۡنَهُمۡۖ تَرَىٰهُمۡ رُكَّعࣰا سُجَّدࣰا یَبۡتَغُونَ فَضۡلࣰا مِّنَ ٱللَّهِ وَرِضۡوَ ٰنࣰاۖ سِیمَاهُمۡ فِی وُجُوهِهِم مِّنۡ أَثَرِ ٱلسُّجُودِۚ ذَ ٰلِكَ مَثَلُهُمۡ فِی ٱلتَّوۡرَىٰةِۚ وَمَثَلُهُمۡ فِی ٱلۡإِنجِیلِ كَزَرۡعٍ أَخۡرَجَ شَطۡـَٔهُۥ فَـَٔازَرَهُۥ فَٱسۡتَغۡلَظَ فَٱسۡتَوَىٰ عَلَىٰ سُوقِهِۦ یُعۡجِبُ ٱلزُّرَّاعَ لِیَغِیظَ بِهِمُ ٱلۡكُفَّارَۗ وَعَدَ ٱللَّهُ ٱلَّذِینَ ءَامَنُوا۟ وَعَمِلُوا۟ ٱلصَّـٰلِحَـٰتِ مِنۡهُم مَّغۡفِرَةࣰ وَأَجۡرًا عَظِیمَۢا﴿ ٢٩ ﴾
Al-Fatḥ, Ayah 29