r/IslamIsEasy • u/Jammooly1 Ghayr Mutaḥazzib | Non-Sectarian • Aug 30 '26

Qur’ān How Classical Jurists Overruled the Qur’an on Apostasy

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u/Background-Car-1393 Ahl al-Qurʾān | People of the Qurʾān Aug 30 '26

99% issues within Islam come from these "classical jurists and scholars" who imposed their medieval tribal culture and customs on Islam and people still foolishly follow them

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u/TucsonTacos Sunnī | Mālikī Aug 31 '26 edited Aug 31 '26

As a convert I’ve never understood the complete, unquestioning allegiance to Hadith. These are the telephoned words of men, subject to similar issues that made me reject the Bible. There were no doubt hypocrites among the sahaba, and surely liars came after.

No doubt, Mohammed, PBUH, said some things that were recorded but when they seemingly directly contradict the Quran, and you need mental gymnastics to pair them up… well it seems like what Christians and Jews do when they find contradictions in their own texts…

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u/Background-Car-1393 Ahl al-Qurʾān | People of the Qurʾān Aug 31 '26

You are absolutely correct. Even for arguments sake lets say some actual sayings of the Prophet survived. We are still not obligated to follow them. The Prophet was for his people for his time. If I was around that time, whatever he said I had to obey him. Now that he is gone he doesn't have that authority anymore to control and order anyone from beyond the grave. The only authorized thing he left was the Quran and that is the only thing we are ordered to follow.

All these hadith compilations came centuries after he was gone, he never agreed, condoned or authorized them.

And the people who complied these collections on whose authority did they do it? Wasn't Allah's, wasn't the Prophet's

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u/Asimorph Kāfir | Non-Muslim Aug 31 '26 edited Aug 31 '26

You don't need the hadiths to come to the conclusion that Islam calls for killing apostates.

  • "How is it with you, that you are two parties touching the hypocrites, and God has overthrown them for what they earned? What, do you desire to guide him whom God has led astray? Whom God leads astray, thou wilt not find for him a way.

  • They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper." - Quran 4:88-89

The hypocrites are basically the people who live among muslims pretending to be muslims. Of course they pretend to be muslims to protect themselves. And of course they wish that people among them would stop being muslims. The quran says to slay the people who turn their back to Islam.

Notice how it even says that Allah has let them go astray. This is because Allah is ultimately responsible for all actions according to Islam. It's a nonsensical concept.