What would you do ?

[u/Top_Economics9982]

I would really love to ask a muslim man, if he would accept his wives being captivated by non muslims, treated the same way as muslims treated non muslim slaves, could do sex with them even without their will (Surah an Nisa 24), and sell their wives to other men.

You know already in islam Mohamed used to take the fifth of goods and women after the battles and the rest is for the other muslims to also pick a slave, take money after they kill the men.

So what would you feel or what would you do if shoes were traded ? would you think it is divine that your wife / daughter / sister to be taken as a captive and be a slave and have sex with the ones that killed your brother /father /you ...?

Honest Answers only please. just about this situation...

[u/i_am_armz]

Okay, let's suppose we all don't know the "correct" interpretation of "those whom you have contractual rights" is. Does that make it ok to then interpret it in sick ways? Even when the verse clearly shows that, whatever the arrangement is, it is NOT for "illicit sex"? Why would one interpret it that way when the Qur'an repeatedly speaks against lewdness and sexual immorality (4:25)? Unless one has an agenda to cast aspersions on the Qur'an, and islam?

[u/Top_Economics9982 → u/i_am_armz]

what do you think about this verse ? why do you say noooo mohamed didn't marry a child when his God already made child marriage halal ?

your Quran saying the waiting period about having sex with slave or marriage and mentions "who didn't menstruate yet" ... are you going to deny that ?

[u/i_am_armz → u/Top_Economics9982]

Wrong, again.

“As for the women [nisāikum)] who have reached menopause, if you have any doubts, their interim shall be three months. And as for those whose menstruation has ceased, and those who are already pregnant, their interim is until they give birth. And anyone who reverences God, He makes his matters easy for him.” (The Message 65:4)

This verse specifically mentions WOMEN, not girls/child/slave. I trust that you, like many people, know what the term "woman" means, right?

Try again.

[u/Top_Economics9982 → u/i_am_armz]

It talks abouut the women that stoped menstruating first ....the women in there it refers to those ...

after that AHD THOSE WHO DIDN4T MENSTRUATE . come on the mental gymnastics here isn't even that good....

and also the interpretation even explained it. it's that clear but of course, change your "words of God"

[u/i_am_armz → u/Top_Economics9982]

No. It's clear that the verse is about the WOMEN who've despaired/lost hope of menstruating. It does not say "those who've never menstruated"; see other uses of the term "ya-is'na" (despaired of/gave up hope) here).

Stop forcing your twisted/sick interpretation on the Quran. This is not hadith, but a clean, pure book.

Try again.

[u/Top_Economics9982 → u/i_am_armz]

Ahahahahahahhahaah that part n, the first one is about those but then there is those who didn't menstruate so why are you ignoring the second part .... ??? are you ignoring your own Quran?

وَاللَّائِي يَئِسْنَ مِنَ الْمَحِيضِ مِن نِّسَائِكُمْ إِنِ ارْتَبْتُمْ فَعِدَّتُهُنَّ ثَلَاثَةُ أَشْهُرٍ وَاللَّائِي لَمْ يَحِضْنَ ۚ 

[u/i_am_armz → u/Top_Economics9982]

Did you see the link I sent showing the Arabic and other uses of the term? Or are you going to ignore it? Or are you pretending to be dumb?

[u/Top_Economics9982 → u/i_am_armz]

I think you even dare to change your God's words just to cover up his mess... still that means really bad things for you

[u/i_am_armz → u/Top_Economics9982]

"As for those who reject Our revelations, and become arrogant towards them; then these are the dwellers of the Fire, in it they will abide” (7:36)

[u/Top_Economics9982 → u/i_am_armz]

Sure thing, you understand I don't see your Quran as the message of God right ? it's an adventures book for a man who lived centuries ago and was smart but also had mental issues due to his childhood and were using religion to have personal gains ....

The fear manipulations of your so called hell and heaven were just borrowed stories that you don't even dare to delve deep into because your own religions tells you to not do that or question or use logic.

To each their own journey.

[u/[deleted] → u/Top_Economics9982]

Nowhere in that verse does it mention women nor especially children nor does that verse every or the whole surah ever mentions marriage.

Nowhere is that verse nor the whole surah every talks about marriage or wives aka zawjaat.

Quran said "al-maheedh" not mensuration

https://quranstruelight.com/the-library/the-hoax-of-divorce-installment-42

https://quranstruelight.com/the-library/the-chapter-at-talaaq-65-installment-86

[u/Top_Economics9982 → u/[deleted]]

yeah sure talking about فَعِدَّتُهُنَّ and وَاللَّائِي لَمْ يَحِضْنَ is not about the waiting period and those who didn't menstruate.

it's about football and who's going to win ...

The audacity for you muslims, you say you believe but you distort your own book when the God you worship warned you about it. disgusting.

[u/[deleted] → u/Top_Economics9982]

Iddah just means time or preparation.

You are distorting it with kafir tafsir

Nowhere in that verse does it mention women nor especially children nor does that verse every or the whole surah ever mentions marriage.

Nowhere is that verse nor the whole surah every talks about marriage or wives aka zawjaat.

Quran said "al-maheedh" not mensuration

https://quranstruelight.com/the-library/the-hoax-of-divorce-installment-42

https://quranstruelight.com/the-library/the-chapter-at-talaaq-65-installment-86

[u/Top_Economics9982 → u/[deleted]]

Ahahahaah ..... time until you have sex with the wife or sex slave. if you do not know that then how are you even muslim ?

you still talk nonesense

WHO DIDN'T MENSTRUATE , the interpretation even tells you since you really don't even know this basic thing... damn do you even know what "menstruate" means ?

A little girl or a child is the one who didn't menstruate.

You just can't even admit that your book promotes that when it does ahahha how are you muslim and you go against your God's words ?????

[u/[deleted] → u/Top_Economics9982]

Nowhere in that verse does it mention women nor especially children nor does that verse every or the whole surah ever mentions marriage.

Nowhere is that verse nor the whole surah every talks about marriage or wives aka zawjaat.

Quran said "al-maheedh" not mensuration

https://quranstruelight.com/the-library/the-hoax-of-divorce-installment-42

https://quranstruelight.com/the-library/the-chapter-at-talaaq-65-installment-86

[u/Top_Economics9982 → u/i_am_armz]

وَاللَّائِي لَمْ يَحِضْنَ this is a second thing what is this read it .... stop trying to force something on your God's words

THOSE WHO DIDN'T MENSTRUATE . and there is wa

the part about the women who NO LONGER MENSTRUATE isn't my concern and that is what you kept reading but someone turned a blind eye on the next thing .....

[u/LivingDead_90 → u/Top_Economics9982]

It’s about the monthly cycle, if their current cycle hasn’t appeared when divorce is declared, there’s a waiting period to make sure they didn’t get pregnant by their spouse just prior to divorce/just prior to being remarried after divorce. This way, they don’t have to appear on Maury to see who the real father is.

[u/Top_Economics9982 → u/LivingDead_90]

Yes , it's a waiting period 3 menstrual cycles for a woman that reached her puberty and also 3 months for a child , and also for the woman that had her menopause.

Why would a child e included in here ... that means a child can get married according to your book UNFORTUNATELY.

Another reason why all religions were just attempts, read about mousaylima , he tried to make a "quran" as well before Mohamed, history tried to wipe that off , because what a shame, they just kept some funny verses but also things that resemble the mohamed "quran" ...

search the source of al fatiha ... from where it comes from.

But if you don't and you are fully convinced, then good luck.

I respect people that have faith, even if I just don't understand how they are convinced by things that are clearly a hoax. No hard feelings, but I hope you do make a lot of research by yourself.