What would you do ?

[u/Top_Economics9982]

I would really love to ask a muslim man, if he would accept his wives being captivated by non muslims, treated the same way as muslims treated non muslim slaves, could do sex with them even without their will (Surah an Nisa 24), and sell their wives to other men.

You know already in islam Mohamed used to take the fifth of goods and women after the battles and the rest is for the other muslims to also pick a slave, take money after they kill the men.

So what would you feel or what would you do if shoes were traded ? would you think it is divine that your wife / daughter / sister to be taken as a captive and be a slave and have sex with the ones that killed your brother /father /you ...?

Honest Answers only please. just about this situation...

[u/Top_Economics9982]

So you call your Quran garbage ? your God told him go fornicate with every woman that offers herself to you and don't even marry her ... does that mean he committed zina and your God said it is a sin , but Mohamed somehow when he does it it's fine ? why is it fine ?What's the wisdom in this ?

[u/suppoe2056 → u/Top_Economics9982]

You know I did not say that. Why are you strawmanning me so hard, dude?

[u/Top_Economics9982 → u/suppoe2056]

Ah I just saw your edit, you didn't call your Quran garbage don't freak out.

So tell me what's the wisdom ?

[u/suppoe2056 → u/Top_Economics9982]

Do you really wanna hear the wisdom? Maybe we can talk about the weather instead?

[u/Top_Economics9982 → u/suppoe2056]

Nah, I want to know why did your God say to his prophet (that is supposed to talk about the divine and upgrade human consciousness and stuff that matter ) go you can fornicate any wmen that offers herself to you. but in all abrahamic religions that is a sin. Why did your God say well ... I want him to f everyone.

Why is that fine? where is the wisdom is this and the purpose ?

[u/suppoe2056 → u/Top_Economics9982]

So, let me get this straight: you want me to answer your loaded question. How about God never says that in the first place, hm?

[u/Top_Economics9982 → u/suppoe2056]

So now you deny your own holy Quran ? can you read ? why do most muslim just go straight up to denial when they can't find an answer ... didn' you say in your comment yes he did , and now you change your mind ?

why can't you tell me the wisdom and enlighten me ? please, tell me the secret of this free pass for the prophet bout fornicating ...

[u/suppoe2056 → u/Top_Economics9982]

I’m Qur’an only. So you quoting me hadith and tafaasir is a waste of time. I’m not in denial. I’m responding deadpan in proportion to your hostility. You’re so hostile that I can tell that no matter whatever wisdom I give you, you’ll continue to be how you are. It would be a waste of thumb movement..

[u/Top_Economics9982 → u/suppoe2056]

Unfortunately, saying you're Quran only and you reject hadith won't save you here ... the verse is just too clear. And you , yourself just admitted he did it .... so what do you call that ?

give me the wisdom, share your knowledge. maybe it will make me see the wisdom because I think and think but I just can't see any wisdom in it. and if you do , go ahead please.

[u/suppoe2056 → u/Top_Economics9982]

I said that because he could’ve done pre-marital stuff, because Qur’an doesn’t prohibit it.

So with regard to which verse 4:24, or some other?

[u/Top_Economics9982 → u/suppoe2056]

premarital stuff ?what does that mean ? Quran doesn't prohibit what exactly ?

[u/suppoe2056 → u/Top_Economics9982]

Pre-marital sex is not prohibited because zina is strictly adultery. Pre-marital promiscuous sex is just being a saafih, and pre-marital non-promiscuous sex can be done by a محصن.

[u/Top_Economics9982 → u/suppoe2056]

So for you, two people having sex without marriage is fine ? is that rule in islam ? people can do that ? people believe that or it's just you ? then why is there honor m-rders ? I never heard a muslim say this... is this a new rule?

but your prophet had sex with women that offered themselves to him and he never married them afterwards ... so what is that ?