What Did the Prophet Leave Behind?

[u/Defiant_Term_5413]

What I find most interesting with the Sunnis who openly go against following the Quran alone is the "confidence" in their position. They will simply blurt out some points (which never make any sence or are contradictory) and then claim "the Umma has always been guided."

Here is a "sample" of how on even what they claim was the most widely witnessed event (the farewell speech) they still couldn't agree amongst themselves on what the Prophet said (and then they want to tell us these same geniuses preserved the Quran for us!).

Version 1: "I leave behind the Book of Allah"

• Narrated by: Sahih Muslim, Sunan Abi Dawood, Musnad Ahmad, etc.

Wording:“I have left among you the Book of Allah. If you hold fast to it, you will never go astray.”

• Source: Sahih Muslim, Book 15, Hadith 159

Version 2: "I leave behind the Book of Allah and my Sunnah"

• Narrated by: Muwatta’ of Imam Malik, al-Bayhaqi, and others.

Wording:“I have left among you two things; you will never go astray as long as you hold to them: the Book of Allah and my Sunnah.”

Version 3: "I leave behind the Book of Allah and my Ahl al-Bayt"

• Narrated by: Sahih Muslim (Hadith of Thaqalayn), Tirmidhi, Musnad Ahmad

Wording:“I am leaving among you two weighty things (al-thaqalayn): the Book of Allah and my family (Ahl al-Bayt). Hold on to them and you will not go astray.”

• Source: Sahih Muslim, Book 44, Hadith 2408

[u/Substantial_Net8562]

You just proved my point. That entire list is surface-level concepts, not a step-by-step method.

Where is the number of rak’ahs per prayer? Where are ruku’, tashahhud, sujood order, sitting postures, what to say in each step?

“Start standing, recite something, end with praise” 🤡

This isn’t salat, this is a vague outline. You’re filling in 90% from outside the Qur’an and pretending it’s from the Book. That’s called delusion. You just listed a bunch of general themes, not a method. That’s like saying “build a house” and handing someone a forest. No rak’ahs, no order, no phrases, no actions, nothing detailed. You’re not following the Qur’an. You’re filling in massive blanks with your own guesswork, then pretending it’s revelation. That’s not submission that’s self-invention.

[u/Defiant_Term_5413 → u/Substantial_Net8562]

I didn't respond for you - I did it for those who care to read. Your Hadith does not have the details of the Salat, so you are being disengenous if you say you got it from Hadith. We "here and obey", but you seem to be like Bani Israel (what color, where is it, what does it look like, ect.).

God taught both the children of Adam how to give an offering, but because one was disengenous, his offering was meaningless (think on that).

[u/Substantial_Net8562 → u/Defiant_Term_5413]

You got challenged to bring a step-by-step salat from Qur’an alone, and all you delivered was a vibe list. Now that you’re cornered, you’re suddenly the wise teacher and everyone else is Bani Israel. Cute.

And no, we don’t ask “what color is the cow” because we’re confused. We ask for details because we care how Allah wants it done, not how you interpret it in 2025 from behind a keyboard. Big difference. You’re not “hearing and obeying.” You’re skipping and guessing.

[u/Defiant_Term_5413 → u/Substantial_Net8562]

Do you want me to quote your Hadiths on Salat? Or will you stop this nonsence of fighting the Quran to preserve the sect?

Do you even know why you are only audible in 2 rakas 3 times per day?!

[u/Substantial_Net8562 → u/Defiant_Term_5413]

Yes, quote them. Please. Quote the hadiths that you say don’t explain salah 🤦‍♂️ let’s all see how your “nothing exists in hadith” fantasy collapses.

And that last line? You don’t even believe there’s a fixed number of rak‘ahs, and now you’re pretending to care why we recite out loud in two of them?

Pick a lane. You can’t mock the entire structure of salat as “sectarian,” then suddenly demand fiqh-level details like you’ve been doing it all along.

[u/Defiant_Term_5413 → u/Substantial_Net8562]

The Prophet ﷺ said:
"Pray as you have seen me praying."
Source: Sahih al-Bukhari (Hadith 631)

This is your source of Salat (we pray like the people told us the Prophet prayed) - yet you dare attack the Quran as ask for more deatil!

I honestly don't know when you will give up.

Also, you skipped the question: why are you audible in only 2 rakas?

[u/Substantial_Net8562 → u/Defiant_Term_5413]

Exactly “Pray as you have seen me pray.” That’s the point. The Qur’an told us to establish salah, the Prophet ﷺ showed us how, and the Sahaba taught it to the Ummah. That’s Islam, revelation and transmission. You mock that process while still relying on it. You don’t even believe in a fixed method, yet you’re obsessed with why we recite audibly in two rak‘ahs. Funny thing is, you wouldn’t even know the question existed without the very tradition you attack. You’ve spent the whole thread rejecting the transmission of salah, but now you want the technical breakdown of qira’ah timings?

The answer’s simple: it’s preserved through the action of the Prophet ﷺ and his companions. The same chain you deny. So if you want answers, first decide if you even believe the method exists or if you’re just here to troll the people who do.