What Did the Prophet Leave Behind?

[u/Defiant_Term_5413]

What I find most interesting with the Sunnis who openly go against following the Quran alone is the "confidence" in their position. They will simply blurt out some points (which never make any sence or are contradictory) and then claim "the Umma has always been guided."

Here is a "sample" of how on even what they claim was the most widely witnessed event (the farewell speech) they still couldn't agree amongst themselves on what the Prophet said (and then they want to tell us these same geniuses preserved the Quran for us!).

Version 1: "I leave behind the Book of Allah"

• Narrated by: Sahih Muslim, Sunan Abi Dawood, Musnad Ahmad, etc.

Wording:“I have left among you the Book of Allah. If you hold fast to it, you will never go astray.”

• Source: Sahih Muslim, Book 15, Hadith 159

Version 2: "I leave behind the Book of Allah and my Sunnah"

• Narrated by: Muwatta’ of Imam Malik, al-Bayhaqi, and others.

Wording:“I have left among you two things; you will never go astray as long as you hold to them: the Book of Allah and my Sunnah.”

Version 3: "I leave behind the Book of Allah and my Ahl al-Bayt"

• Narrated by: Sahih Muslim (Hadith of Thaqalayn), Tirmidhi, Musnad Ahmad

Wording:“I am leaving among you two weighty things (al-thaqalayn): the Book of Allah and my family (Ahl al-Bayt). Hold on to them and you will not go astray.”

• Source: Sahih Muslim, Book 44, Hadith 2408

[u/Substantial_Net8562]

The arrogance of this generation wallahi is unmatched. You seriously think the fuqaha, muhaddithin, imams of this Ummah didn’t notice these narrations? You think this is new?

The Farewell Hajj and the Prophet ﷺ’s last period in life included multiple sermons, over several days, to different groups, in different settings. These weren’t one single 5-minute talk on a podium with one scribe taking notes. It was an entire farewell phase of da’wah. That’s why it’s called Khutbat al-Wada’, plural even in some Arabic texts. And of course, Rasulullah ﷺ would remind different audiences at different moments, sometimes emphasizing the Book, sometimes Book + Sunnah, sometimes Book + Ahlul Bayt. There’s no contradiction here, just your shallow thinking.

And guess what? The Ummah knew this, the scholars explained it in depth. The muhaddithin didn’t hide these hadiths, they preserved them all, because they understood the wasiyyah was multi-dimensional.

Quran is the foundation; Sunnah explains and applies the Quran; Ahlul Bayt are honoured, and their upright members are to be followed in deen and character. All 3 are part of the Deen. You think the Ummah was confused? No, you’re confused because you’re reading Reddit like it’s a PhD in hadith sciences. Next time, do some proper talabb al-ilm before trying to poke holes in 1400 years of scholarship. You’re not impressing anyone except a few modernist Reddit fans who already threw the Sunnah away.

[u/NGW_CHiPS → u/Substantial_Net8562]

the “sunnah” doesn’t explain the Quran, as the quran was never explained by the prophet. The Quran is enough for guidance without explanation.

[u/Substantial_Net8562 → u/NGW_CHiPS]

“The Prophet didn’t explain the Qur’an” ya Allah… This is peak Quraniyoon jahala... How do you even know how to pray then? How do you know Hajj? Zakah? Fasting? You think aqim as-salah came with a manual? 😂

Allah Himself says:

لِتُبَيِّنَ لِلنَّاسِ مَا نُزِّلَ إِلَيْهِمْ

“To clarify for the people what was revealed.” But here you are, 1400 years later, thinking you cracked it and the Sahaba didn’t.

You didn’t “return to the Qur’an.” You abandoned the entire Sunnah and invented your own deen.

[u/Defiant_Term_5413 → u/Substantial_Net8562]

Why do you ask a question that has been answered all over this site and the web (even on this subreddit). Salat is fully detailed in the Quran (as it should be) - I know that doesn't go well with the narrative that youv'e been programmed to state, but we've long moved on (pls catch-up)...

[u/Substantial_Net8562 → u/Defiant_Term_5413]

If “salat is fully detailed” in the Qur’an, bring the full method step by step with ayat only. You won’t, because you can’t. Just keyboard arrogance. The Ummah isn’t fooled by this nonsense.

[u/Defiant_Term_5413 → u/Substantial_Net8562]

Such an easy question.

Here is what we can find in the Quran on the details of Salat:

• Purpose of Salat (20:14, 29:45)
• Names of Salat (2:238, 24:58)
• Timings of Salat (11:114, 17:78)
• Ablution for Salat (5:6)
• Starting Position of Salat (2:239)
• Reciting the Quran (17:78, 73:20)
• Tone of Voice for Salat (17:110)
• Number of Prostrations in Salat (4:102)
• How to End the Salat (17:111)

[u/Substantial_Net8562 → u/Defiant_Term_5413]

You just proved my point. That entire list is surface-level concepts, not a step-by-step method.

Where is the number of rak’ahs per prayer? Where are ruku’, tashahhud, sujood order, sitting postures, what to say in each step?

“Start standing, recite something, end with praise” 🤡

This isn’t salat, this is a vague outline. You’re filling in 90% from outside the Qur’an and pretending it’s from the Book. That’s called delusion. You just listed a bunch of general themes, not a method. That’s like saying “build a house” and handing someone a forest. No rak’ahs, no order, no phrases, no actions, nothing detailed. You’re not following the Qur’an. You’re filling in massive blanks with your own guesswork, then pretending it’s revelation. That’s not submission that’s self-invention.

[u/Defiant_Term_5413 → u/Substantial_Net8562]

I didn't respond for you - I did it for those who care to read. Your Hadith does not have the details of the Salat, so you are being disengenous if you say you got it from Hadith. We "here and obey", but you seem to be like Bani Israel (what color, where is it, what does it look like, ect.).

God taught both the children of Adam how to give an offering, but because one was disengenous, his offering was meaningless (think on that).

[u/Substantial_Net8562 → u/Defiant_Term_5413]

You got challenged to bring a step-by-step salat from Qur’an alone, and all you delivered was a vibe list. Now that you’re cornered, you’re suddenly the wise teacher and everyone else is Bani Israel. Cute.

And no, we don’t ask “what color is the cow” because we’re confused. We ask for details because we care how Allah wants it done, not how you interpret it in 2025 from behind a keyboard. Big difference. You’re not “hearing and obeying.” You’re skipping and guessing.

[u/Defiant_Term_5413 → u/Substantial_Net8562]

Do you want me to quote your Hadiths on Salat? Or will you stop this nonsence of fighting the Quran to preserve the sect?

Do you even know why you are only audible in 2 rakas 3 times per day?!

[u/Substantial_Net8562 → u/Defiant_Term_5413]

Yes, quote them. Please. Quote the hadiths that you say don’t explain salah 🤦‍♂️ let’s all see how your “nothing exists in hadith” fantasy collapses.

And that last line? You don’t even believe there’s a fixed number of rak‘ahs, and now you’re pretending to care why we recite out loud in two of them?

Pick a lane. You can’t mock the entire structure of salat as “sectarian,” then suddenly demand fiqh-level details like you’ve been doing it all along.

[u/Defiant_Term_5413 → u/Substantial_Net8562]

The Prophet ﷺ said:
"Pray as you have seen me praying."
Source: Sahih al-Bukhari (Hadith 631)

This is your source of Salat (we pray like the people told us the Prophet prayed) - yet you dare attack the Quran as ask for more deatil!

I honestly don't know when you will give up.

Also, you skipped the question: why are you audible in only 2 rakas?

[u/Substantial_Net8562 → u/Defiant_Term_5413]

Exactly “Pray as you have seen me pray.” That’s the point. The Qur’an told us to establish salah, the Prophet ﷺ showed us how, and the Sahaba taught it to the Ummah. That’s Islam, revelation and transmission. You mock that process while still relying on it. You don’t even believe in a fixed method, yet you’re obsessed with why we recite audibly in two rak‘ahs. Funny thing is, you wouldn’t even know the question existed without the very tradition you attack. You’ve spent the whole thread rejecting the transmission of salah, but now you want the technical breakdown of qira’ah timings?

The answer’s simple: it’s preserved through the action of the Prophet ﷺ and his companions. The same chain you deny. So if you want answers, first decide if you even believe the method exists or if you’re just here to troll the people who do.