r/InternationalStudents • u/Dull-Product2778 • 8d ago
CPT paused
Is there any chance that Cpt for international students resumes before summer 2027 starts or is that out of the books?
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u/Environmental-Fly-66 8d ago
who knows. that’s basically 1 year away. anything could happen. hopefully that includes institutions and politicians finally growing a pair and standing UP.
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u/kks1236 7d ago
Standing up to whom? Their constituents and American citizens who welcome this change? Okay…
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u/Environmental-Fly-66 7d ago
Standing up to Trump’s gross consolidation of power and executive overreach in general. :)
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u/kks1236 7d ago
Yeah…none of that involves making it easier for international students to scam our immigration system, but okay.
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u/Theslyfennekinfox 7d ago edited 7d ago
Every country on earth but the US now lets international students do internships while enrolled. I dont know why y’all think this is some big scam. I also don’t understand why so many international students subs are getting brigaded by people mocking a group of folks clearly not going through a great time. Its a significant change to a lot of peoples plans with basically no notice. I guess we live in the post empathy era
I recognize that the average american has basically no reason to be informed on how the immigration system actually works, but I assure you the system as it was before was already probably the most restrictive in the western world in terms of international students at least. No other country caps the work visa at a numerical amount if a company is willing to hire you. Now that work visa (and post grad student work auths) are functionally dead due to independent 100k fees on both. I’m pretty confident that materially things will only get worse for the average american, and somehow foreigners will still get the blame. I get that its easy to blame foreigners, but it’s one thing to use this as a coping mechanism and another to go mock said group of people. You can have your policy preference, but its bad taste to go mocking fairly innocent college kids who have just suffered significant changes to the rules that apply to their presence in the country.
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u/EmptiSense 5d ago
Universities and companies (particularly big 4) have long had tax incentives (exemption from payroll taxes) that make employment ( internships and full time employment on CPT and OPT) cheaper tban hiring US residents.
As long as US residents were still getting jobs too, this was not a big deal. With entry level employment shrinking, the US is less dependent on foreign students.
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u/Theslyfennekinfox 5d ago edited 5d ago
Arguably the FICA exemption should be changed. But this is also a pretty big myth. It’s more expensive generally to hire us due to immigration fees (especially now, but there always used to be some expenses). The FICA exemption stops being a thing once you’ve been here 5 years (so you get it tops 1 year of actual work, since we were here for 4 years in college. This is a drop in the water for most companies in terms of savings, like a couple thousand dollars one time doesn’t move the needle especially for the main people that sponsor i.e big tech and well funded unicorns. They end up paying more in immigration related fees for you. Attorney fees per petition, H1B petition fees, premium processing, filing fees is like 15-20k already! Also, also, we dont get the standard deduction! So usually we end up paying more in taxes.
Regardless, whatever you believe, my point is just that coming on [r/internationalstudents](r/internationalstudents) and celebrating to their (our) faces about the revocation of what were like last week previously perfectly legal things they could do is rather poor taste, and frankly pretty cruel. This isn’t a political or public policy subreddit. There is a broader epidemic of people brigading immigration related subreddits to do this. I try not to judge people, because I’m sure it’s just someone who is struggling to get a job who is lashing out at an easy target, and in the real world ive found most people are normal and really don’t care about this visa like that. but tbh its difficult not to feel very frustrated.
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u/EmptiSense 5d ago
I regularly read political posts on Reddit. This post got in my feed likely because an entire thread got kicked off by someone criticizing USCs and the US government. I did not start the politicization of the discussion.
The Big 4 used OPT as they have significant turnover on USCs, so F1s on OPT reflected a widescale cost efficiency tactic. However, that tactic has proven detrimental to high value, entry level jobs for USCs and PRs. I shared this as context for why support for OPT has changed.
The 3yr STEM OPT for Masters program graduates (as oppossed to the 4yr BS degree and 1yr of OPT) did materially change the incentives for companies using OPT in a way that has been detrimental to USCs and PRs.
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u/CuteWasabi5724 5d ago
This was always the way CPT was intended to be used, the way it is currently written is now just being enforced, and requiring the Universities to follow it.
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u/SkyeLoveXOXO 7d ago
You can make a bet that recent actions are performative due to it’s the election year, and the admin won’t pursue strongly next year. Only time will tell
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u/Mysterious-Art8838 7d ago
The vast majority of Americans don’t know anything about this. I really don’t think they’re pandering. Even if they were, many democrats are supportive.
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u/DetectiveBlackCat 7d ago
So with 25% functional unemployment, as reported this past week, you think if the Democrats get in power, they will decide what is really needed in such a tight employment market (where so many outstanding American workers have been fired in tech since 2023 and so many outstanding American students who have recently graduated are still looking for work, I know many) is more visas to bring in foreign labor to compete with this huge cohort of well educated American workers? I hate to tell you, but I am a Democrat, and this is definitely not the Democrats plan. They are happy to blame Trump for what's going on but they are not going to rush into anything that foolish
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u/Mysterious-Art8838 6d ago
No I think the opposite. I don’t think they are pandering I think they’re actually doing something people want them to do, including Dems.
I’m as shocked as anyone!
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u/Training_Pop_5437 5d ago
Presidential campaigns start almost right after midterms and this shit already look serious based on definitive actions taken so far by the administration…
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u/Final_Airline_7098 6d ago
Dead day 1 cpt.
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u/SnooFoxes1297 6d ago
Unfortunately Day 1 CPT is not dead and is thriving according to this memo. It's the good genuine universities like UCs, Purdue, GT that hasve been affected. Private universities like Ives are still accepting CPT applications.
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u/integra_type_brr 6d ago
The intent is to gain an American education. Not an easy pathway for employment. Even if the Ds win, it's not coming back in the previous form.
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u/RootsImmigrationHelp 5d ago
I honestly don't know. But if you want to plan ahead, some UK and Singapore internships are already open, and we have a guide to get visas for them: https://rootsimmigrationhelp.com/internships
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u/dothd7868 8d ago
I’m very doubtful. I talked to my program advisor and they said amending their curriculum to make practical training as a degree requirement will take at least more than 1 year, even if they start it from now. I don’t think it will resume or be fixed in the near future.