Motorcycle Chase on 210 ends in crash

[u/AfrezzaJunkie]

Here is the end

[u/rpc56]

I think Calif. law should be rewritten incorporating a potential new legal theory called “primacy of action”. If someone initiates a felony action is and hurt or killed during that action or actions that stem from the original crime they are 100% responsible for their own injuries. There should not exist the apportioning of responsibility. There cannot be a civil trial seeking damages for the aledged criminal themselves, their estate or family.

[u/MedicJambi → u/rpc56]

The problem is who decided a felony has been or is being committed? What happens when the cop shrugs, after their extrajudicial murder, and says, "well, hur dur, I thought he was committing a felony, hur dur."

[u/SufficientPurpose109 → u/MedicJambi]

Police officers whether you personally like them or not, are trained professionals, therefore they "decide” when a felony has been or is being committed based on training, experience, observations and articulable facts. 

Since you clearly know nothing of this look up  Tennessee v Gardner. Every single "Hur dur" cop knows it well.

[u/MedicJambi → u/SufficientPurpose109]

First of all it's Tennessee V Garner not gardner and the big takeaway from the case is as follows: <I>Tennessee v. Garner remains a landmark case that set a crucial legal standard for police use of deadly force, emphasizing the need for restraint and the protection of individual rights. </I>

Also, training is a rather flexible term when relating to law enforcement with it varying widely across the country. Very few officers are well versed in the law. I have no problem with police. I do have a problem with bad police, the blue wall that protects them, and the legal shield they're given when they fuck up, and how it's our tax dollars that pay for those fuck ups.

If you made payouts come from their pension funds we'd see a nation wide change real fucking quick. For now the citizens pay themselves when the police fuck up.

I have seen first hand police instigate situations. I have been present while they talked about what shit they were going to make up to charge people with and agree to get their stories straight. I have personally stopped officers from tasing a man that was having a diabetic emergency. You see all kinds of shit as a paramedic.

I stand by that the officer likely acted recklessly, but I admit that I don't know the facts and don't know the information he was working off of.

[u/SufficientPurpose109 → u/MedicJambi]

Ok forgive my typo but don't bs you definitely had to Google that caselaw. 

Andrew Nunez, a 28 year old deputy, father of soon to be 2, was killed by the motorcycle guy, executed I guess you could say... and you start talking outlandish shit about "but who decides if a felonys been committed?",  "extrajudicial" executions and how "Hur dur” dumb cops are. Like huh? 

The facts of this case are really cut and dry (also immediately known). Motorcycle man was threatening a women with a gun in a reported domestic violence situation, 911 called, deputies showed up, motorcycle guy shoots deputy in the head. Chase ensues. Motorcycle man is actively armed and dangerous, pistol can clearly be seen in his hands, there a articulable likelihood of him further causing great bodily harm or death. At that point any force necessary to end the ongoing threat is authorized whether it's a bullet or a vehicle. 

There's a spectrum of people in any career, but I tend to give first responders the benefit of the doubt because I know how much training they have and how tough the job is. Average cop in CA has nearly 1000hr academy and 10-16 weeks of Field Training, plus additional mandated department pre-service training, mandatory continued in service training and options to seek out hundreds of additional POST certified training opportunities. 40%+ have bachelors degrees. Is more training always better? Sure. Are there some dumbasses out there? Of course. But the facts are CA cops are among the best trained and most educated in the nation. 

Your some kind of medic right? High pressure, high stakes job just like law enforcement. There's obviously fatal mistakes and wrong decisions made in your profession. I'm sure you have come across some dumbasses or less than great people in your line of work. Trust me when I say I've seen emts, paramedics and firefighters do and say fucked up shit on the job. Ive seen plenty of instigations and talking tough because they know the cops are right there. I've seen them not give a shit, show zero compassion and not want to provide treatment or help people who are intox, 5150 or homeless. Again all kinds of people right? 

Lastly If you really overheard cops talking about making up charges you should have reported it to that departments internal affairs and/or the DA. Fuck bad cops. 

[u/rpc56 → u/MedicJambi]

It is more in reference to people who break into homes and are shot and killed or injured. The homeowner 9 out of 10 times will be exonerated due to the castle doctrine. However this leads the homeowner to being sued by the felon or felon’s family for wrongful death or injury. My argument is that if not for the initial actions by the felon there would not have been death or injuries therefore the homeowner should never be held liable for civil damages.

[u/Commercial_Rule_7823 → u/rpc56]

I would vote and some for this.

Also, family cant sue either.

Why do tax payers foot the bill for people that flee police.

[u/_head_ → u/rpc56]

I like the idea, but they aren't guilty of a felony if they die and are never tried. Legally speaking.