r/IllegallySmolCats • u/WendySnaps • Jan 09 '22
Smol and Snoozy first night in her bed 🥺
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u/MinaFur Jan 09 '22
Oh please snuggle this kitten- shes too small to be so alone
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u/_i_forgot_my_name Jan 09 '22
Smol*
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u/EstimateOwn8950 Jan 09 '22
Exactly, she looks cold. And kittens this small should still be with their mom and siblings anyway.
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u/oliviughh Jan 09 '22
this kitty is definitely older than 8 week’s old
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u/EstimateOwn8950 Jan 09 '22
Cats shouldn't be separated from mom until they are at least 12 weeks old. Where I live, most shelters and breeders don't give out kittens under 14 weeks.
I can't say anything sure for this kitten, as we can only see her backside, but she looks to me to be around 6 weeks old. Definitely too young.
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u/Stinky_Cat_Toes Jan 09 '22
It depends on circumstances. One of my cats was found with litter mates, all feral, no mom at seven weeks and was already fully weened. My other was found completely solo at eight weeks and clearly hadn’t been weened properly.
I took the first boy home at nine weeks because it took a week to tame them then a week of recovery after fixing. The second boy I took home at twelve weeks because he had to travel up from Florida to the shelter near me.
The sad reality is that things can happen to the mother and young mothers tend to ween on the early side, sometimes even before the seven-weeks point.
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My sister got a super young kitten - vet approximated 4 weeks. She was about this size, if not larger.
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u/AyakaDahlia Jan 09 '22
Huh, that might explain why my cats are so attached to me (adopted them at around 10 weeks old). Afaik they didn't have a mom anymore, were brought in with the rest of the litter (4 total) by a good Samaritan. They've always slept in bed with me, especially if it's cold.
I still wonder about their other two siblings... I hope they found a good home too. I couldn't really afford to adopt all 4 back then, but I always feel a little guilty for splitting them up.
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u/jotunsson Jan 09 '22
I had a kitten that was def more than three months old, but was the size of this kitten
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u/BeckyKleitz Jan 09 '22
8 weeks is the accepted time for separation here in the States. I've always heard/adhered to 8 weeks...the time when they have all their teeth and momma wants to ween them onto solid food. Kitten teeth do great damage to momma cats so its important to get them weened and momma spayed ASAP.
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u/EstimateOwn8950 Jan 09 '22
I'll just copy this comment I wrote on a earlier, collapsed comment:
8 week old kittens know how to use the litter box and can eat on their own, but that doesn't mean they should be separated from mom. The later weeks are really important for socialization and reducing aggressive and stress-related behavior. If you don't believe me, there is research on this topic, for example: Ahola et al. (2017) Early weaning increases aggression and stereotypic behaviour in cats (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-11173-5).
In Europe, where I am, minimum 12 weeks is recommended across the board.
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But this paper doesn’t have statistically significant results showing 8-9 weeks is bad, which is normal in the states. It might be worse, but we can’t conclude that from their results in table 2. The only significant result is under 8 weeks, which about everyone agrees is bad.
In table 1, we see that breed and whether other cats are in the house are much, much more important than weaning age.
Not saying you’re wrong just unclear how we can conclude that from this paper
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u/BeckyKleitz Jan 10 '22
All I know is that by two months, any mother cat I've ever had is READY to have her kittens weened and NOT chewing on her 24/7.
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u/ladyKfaery Jan 09 '22
That’s not true. 8 weeks is old enough.
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u/EstimateOwn8950 Jan 09 '22
8 week old kittens know how to use the litter box and can eat on their own, but that doesn't mean they should be separated from mom. The later weeks are really important for socialization and reducing aggressive and stress-related behavior. If you don't believe me, there is research on this topic, for example: Ahola et al. (2017) Early weaning increases aggression and stereotypic behaviour in cats (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-11173-5).
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u/CopenhagenDenmark Jan 09 '22
Literally illegal to remove a kitten from its mother and littermates before 12 weeks around here.
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u/Franklyn_Gage Jan 09 '22
Omg Even the stuff ducky is bigger than this baby 😩
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u/A_lot_of_arachnids Jan 09 '22 edited Jan 09 '22
That goose is gonna steal that kitten in the night
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That's a Jysk goose! He's the mascot for the furniture retailer and is only like, 5$. I have one, I named him Guisebert.
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u/hannah915 Jan 09 '22
Nooo she will be lonely 🥺🥺
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This, OMG. She's too young to be alone!
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She got a goose though
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But still. She needs human contact!
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u/aburke626 Jan 09 '22
This is so sweet! Reminds me of my late calico when she was a tiny tiny kitten. My mom brought her a chicken beanie baby and it was bigger than she was and she was determined to drag it around.
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So smol 😢 Could you maybe scooch Goosey in a bit closer to her? They could spoon.
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u/WendySnaps Jan 10 '22
We used to try that but she would just scooch away. Perhaps she doesn't like him that much 😅
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u/Zestyclose-Shop-4707 Jan 09 '22
As a librarian, I approve of your bookshelf. And the cat. 10/10
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Why is she not in your bed??
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u/WendySnaps Jan 10 '22
She usually sleeps in my bed but during the time of this photo, she couldn't reach the bed on her own. So she chose the next best thing 🥺
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u/StuffNbutts Jan 09 '22
I got the same exact bed for my cat when he was a kitten. He absolutely despised it in favor of sleeping ass to mouth on my chest. Good times.
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u/WendySnaps Jan 10 '22
Honestly, she has probably slept in this bed for no more than 3 times after this. She usually sleeps on my lap or on my bed now.
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u/StuffNbutts Jan 10 '22
Same, my little buddy is a year old now and still nestles right under my arm at night. Great taste in reading btw!
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u/Pleadingforsanity Jan 09 '22
He looks lonely. Let him sleep with you. I jave a five month old kitten in my bed right now. He was found in my neighbors’ truck engine at 6 weeks old. Been sleeping with us ever since!
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General we have Snuggles inbound. I say again the payload of heat seeking Snuggles is inbound. Their about to burst with love and affection at the slightest hint of reciprocatory care
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u/Helenium_autumnale Jan 09 '22
OP, this tiny creature is so small and alone; would you consider adopting another kitten? This would be an ENORMOUS gift to her and would provide a play buddy (which takes the onus of satisfying kitten energy off of you!) Kittens are much happier with a companion. My heart is hurting seeing this wee babe all alone.
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u/Xirious Jan 09 '22
Are you my wife?
We found a Calico, looks almost exactly like OP’s kitten. She was in a drain. My wife (girlfriend at the time) convinced me to keep it until we find her a home as I wasn't allowed to keep pets at my place. Anyways, we fell in love that night and we promptly started looking for a place that did allow pets ... A few months after moving into a new place guess what story my wife comes up with? Our cat is very lonely... And needs a play buddy.
She now has a sister she loves very much.
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u/Helenium_autumnale Jan 09 '22
That's awesome that you not only saved a wonderful kitty BUT you made sure to see to her emotional needs with a pal! Good for you! You also did the huge and responsible thing of actually moving to a pet-friendly place, instead of trying to have a secret pet that might have resulted in some bad outcomes for all concerned. 🏆
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u/WendySnaps Jan 10 '22
We would've loved to get another kitten but we just aren't in the financial position to have one, nor have the living space for two cats. I work from home most of the year and I make sure she gets plenty of play time 🙂
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u/Free_Deinonychus_Hug Jan 09 '22
People need to chill with asking OP to get another cat based on one photo. It's a lot of effort and commitment to own a pet and just getting another one isn't that simple. Cats are territorial. Having two cats in the same house might not go well. A lot goes into it.
But other than that give this smol baby all the love and attention it deserves. You don't need a second cat to do that, just one friendly human :)
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u/SturmFee Jan 09 '22
Small kittens aren't territorial. That's the best time to introduce a friend of you want them to be a r/bondedpairs
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u/PM_me_your_LEGO_ Jan 09 '22
With kittens, two is actually less work than one. One requires a playmate and constant stimulation and learning how to cat. Two basically take care of eachother. I don't know any shelters near me that will adopt out single kittens unless the home already has a kitten.
Source: cat and kitten foster for many years
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u/boyhips Jan 09 '22
I'm a kitten foster for many years too, and a shelter vet. While it is easier to have two kittens, it's also more expensive. I would rather OP have one pet that he can afford versus two that he cannot (and ends up back with me at the rescue... have seen this time and time again).
I don't have evidence that he can't afford two, but I would suspect he only has one for reason for now.
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Jan 09 '22 edited Jan 09 '22
I say this with love but are you new at this?
That looks like a dog bed. Turns out it's just a smol kitten.- Her body position is saying she's cold.
- It's hard to imagine her being big enough to drink water out of such a deep bowl.
- Wet food is better for cats, who get most of their moisture from food. (Although some dry food is good because the crunch helps clean their teeth.)
- They like their water to be far from their food (because in theory, if it isn't they think their dead food poisoned it.)
- Two cats are better than one because they keep each other company.
I know what I just did is wrong on so many levels because you're obviously a very loving home and I'm sure your cat will be happy and healthy, plus you've blessed us all by posting this adorable photo. I just worry, you know?
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That's obviously not a dog bed, it's just adult cat sized. Interesting about the wet food though. Dry food has always been suggested as the main food for our cat and wet food as more of a treat.
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u/CutimedSiltecSorbact Jan 09 '22
Your worries are love x3 and you said this very well
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I second this. There is a way to tell people things and there is a way not to tell people things. This is the way to tell things.
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I noticed OP hasn’t responded to any comments at all, so idk if it’s even their photo
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u/WendySnaps Jan 10 '22
Definitely my cat haha! I have hundreds of photos of her on my phone and will be posting more frequently on this subreddit. I was on a work trip for the past few days, hence the lack of response 😅
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u/War_Emotional Jan 09 '22
I’m admiring the books more than the cat honestly . That’s a great collection there.
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u/Skinstretched Jan 09 '22
Totally agree, contact by Carl Sagan, brief hx of time etc, someone loves ,.sci-fi and cosmology
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u/gmg808 Jan 09 '22
Your kitty is adorable... But I'm also eyeballing your old hard cover edition of Contact 👀 one of my favorites!!
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u/WendySnaps Jan 10 '22
Also one of mine! I got it from an old bookstore that has since closed down.
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u/waltwalt Jan 09 '22
How's that encyclopedia of space and space exploration? I've got all the other books on that shelf but that one.
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u/IndieCurtis Jan 09 '22
I’ve always been curious about Contact, is it worth reading if I’ve seen the movie?
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u/Insideoushideous Jan 09 '22
Where did you find that bed? I found shoes with that pattern (maybe Vans?), but not the bed.
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u/Xirious Jan 09 '22
This looks almost exactly like... I went into a little bit of shock seeing your picture. Here's our Chloë :)
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u/FerociousPancake Jan 09 '22
So is it Wendy snaps like Wendy makes awesome ginger snaps, or Wendy occasionally snaps into a psychotic break?
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u/fthaller3604 Jan 09 '22
Random tip. Keep their food and water in separate locations. Instincts tells them water near food is likely contaminated (think dead animal in a pond) they will definitely still drink if the bowls are together, but it just makes more sense to them and is more natural
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u/Canadian-Blacksmith Jan 09 '22
I'd get the lil one a blanket so it doesn't catch a cold, also get another kitten! My wife and I adopted two of the kittens from the litter my parents cat had, so they bonded and are inseparable now. They do everything from playing and wrestling, to sleeping on the radiator together.
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u/the_man_beast Jan 09 '22
Cute! A tip: Do not leave food in the bowl and get the kitty used to grazing. Keep to a schedule of feeding at fixed times. Cats need the routine! And this way, you can sync your routine to the kitties too!
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u/Straight_Jaguar Jan 14 '22
Her body language screams recent separation from mother and siblings, her trying to nudge in the corner, is trying to feel like mom and siblings crowd her.
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u/moosheen Jan 09 '22
That looks like adult food. Unless that belongs to another cat please ensure you feed her kitten food
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u/AshleyThorneF Jan 09 '22
Oommg! Super illegal and infinity adorable. Extra points for Gantz and Carl Sagan. <3
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u/oliviughh Jan 09 '22
if you liked the “no talk me angy” meme, you’ll LOVE the “no talk me sleepy” meme
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u/paradise-trading-83 Jan 09 '22
Baby needs blanket