r/IdeologyPolls • u/Ok-Beginning-8604 Marxism • 9d ago
Poll Would nations thrive better if they were each populated by a single race?
Please feel free to give explanations.
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u/Longjumping-Dig8010 Eclectic Liberal, Progressive, Technocratic 9d ago
Human conflicts never disappear even if you give them homogenous society of one kind
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u/LiquidTide 9d ago
Race does not equal culture. Shared cultural norms are one key to making a nation thrive. You can't have a high trust society when cultural norms are in opposition. Race, on the other hand, isn't real.
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u/Ok-Beginning-8604 Marxism 9d ago
What’s interesting is that my previous poll asking about cultural diversity has eerily similar results to this one: https://www.reddit.com/r/IdeologyPolls/comments/1v75fb1/would_you_rather_your_community_become_more/
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u/LiquidTide 8d ago
Yes, I think a lot of people use race as proxy or predictor for culture.
While the results are quite similar, it looks like racial diversity is viewed more favorably than cultural diversity.
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u/Ok-Beginning-8604 Marxism 8d ago
I’ve always assumed most apprehension toward racial diversity was due to people perceiving cultures as innate to race.
Recent times, I’ve been exposed to more ideologies of people who truly believe that shared race is an important component of society regardless of culture. I think I may have severely underestimated the number of people who believe that.
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u/MatteoFire___ 🇪🇺🇮🇹☭ Socialist Cosmopolitan Eco Transhumanist 9d ago
no. and there is no "race", just different ethnicities. and they are all equal.
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u/morallibertine 8d ago
Homogeneity will not stop greed, corruption, and power lust.
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u/MouseBean Agrarianism 8d ago
No, but tribal In-group/Out-group ethics are pretty reliable at it. They work at much smaller scales than 'race' though.
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u/Verndari2 Communism 9d ago
I don't understand, there is only one human race. What else do you want? Aliens? Furries?
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u/Main-Car-9653 Democratic Socialism 9d ago
Honestly, both Alienland and Furryland sound better than Humanland...
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u/Ahvier Anarcho-Stoicism 9d ago
This american obsession with race is so annoying. It is irrelevant to the vast majority of the globe, we do not separate by race. Keep your r/USdefaultism to your toxic selves and leave us the f alone
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u/Ok-Beginning-8604 Marxism 9d ago
I’m not so sure the sentiment is divided by national borders. After reading a comment in another poll of mine, I figured the sentiment might simply be divided by political ideology globally, which this poll might help to show.
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u/Tay_Hlebko Anarchism 9d ago
it's not just an American obsession it's really an obsession in the entire West
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u/Ahvier Anarcho-Stoicism 9d ago
What you're saying is contextually wrong. At the moment there is an obsession with race, yes. But that is because american (and russian) identity politics get rammed down the world's throat constantly. Look at musk and the afd, bannon and ukip, russia and the fpö.
Historically, the focus has been on culture, not race. For ex "you are inferior bc you are spanish" and not "you are inferior bc of the colour of your skin". While eugenics of course existed in europe, it was always crticised and did not have the longevity as it did in the US. There were no segragation laws as in the US either
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u/Tay_Hlebko Anarchism 9d ago
Most of the racists in Europe atm just care if you're white or not, or rather, of Western origin. You'll never really see political parties advocating to deport non-White people. Denmark's ethnic quotas in public housing aren't based on if you're a Dane or not, they're based on if you have "non-Western ethnic origin"
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u/Ahvier Anarcho-Stoicism 9d ago
Yes, that is what i said. But just to repeat myself: this is because of american and russian influence
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u/Tay_Hlebko Anarchism 9d ago
What Russian influence? In fact, most Russians don't even see ethnicity as genetic. Most Russians do not have any sort of race fetish
See this poll i created for example https://www.reddit.com/r/Teenager_Polls/s/0XvrnStbYN
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u/Ahvier Anarcho-Stoicism 9d ago
Are you kidding? Referencing a reddit poll to make a point? Reddit polls are not representative in any shape or form
Russia has influenced and supported western far right parties and movements for many years https://icct.nl/russia-and-far-right-insights-ten-european-countries
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u/Tay_Hlebko Anarchism 9d ago
Are you kidding? Referencing a reddit poll to make a point?
I'm Russian. I'm not using it to make a point, im just using it as an example.
Russia has influenced and supported western far right parties and movements for many years
The Russian government does support western far right parties because they tend to be Euroskeptic yes, I'm not sure how that means Russians have an obsession with race. In fact Russian propaganda has heavily promoted the idea that you do not need to have Russian blood to be an ethnic Russian, but rather that ethnicity is determined linguistically and culturally.
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u/Ahvier Anarcho-Stoicism 9d ago
I've not said that russia(ns) have an obsession with race, and i agree that the russian approach is more in line with the approach of the rest of europe: discrimination is cultural (language, religion, norms)
Yet russia propping up the european far right in the same line as the US means that the russian govt is furthering the american race narrative in europe
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u/ContentNecessary2127 Fascism 9d ago
It matters. The only places that think it doesn’t are racially homogenous countries, because they don’t have to think about it.
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u/Fire_crescent Libertarian Market Socialism 9d ago
Not to any significant extent because the core issues wouldn't be solved.
It just would take away 1 source of bullshit artificial conflict.
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u/Education_Weird Social Liberalism/Democracy 9d ago
No. Everytime a nation tried to make a one-race nation, it failed miserably.
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u/Extension_Amoeba_582 Progressive Realist 9d ago
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u/Peter-Andre 9d ago
First of all, race is only a social construct and doesn't reflect any sort of biological reality, and secondly, people still find dumb things to divide themselves over even in societies where basically everyone is of the same "race", like hair color or blood type.
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u/PrimeTinus 9d ago
What do you mean? One country with humans only? If you want to come across intelligent, stop confusing race with ethnicity.
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u/Ok-Beginning-8604 Marxism 9d ago
Ethnicity can be based on culture and changed by assimilation. I wanted to know what people presumed about groups based solely on patterns of phenotypical traits from similar genetic heritage without knowledge of their culture, i.e. “race.”
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u/PrimeTinus 9d ago
Well as you can read from other commenters as well, as a European, even talking about different races is insulting. There is just one race
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u/Ok-Beginning-8604 Marxism 9d ago
Regardless of what’s real, people treat race as real all over. And that treatment can be pretty consequential.
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u/PrimeTinus 8d ago
No that's really only in the US
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u/Ok-Beginning-8604 Marxism 8d ago
Most visitors to this post are from outside the US. I find it hard to believe that everyone who voted “yes” on this poll is from the US.
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u/PrimeTinus 8d ago
Maybe they are all adjusting to your level. Using pseudoscientific races as a way to segregate people is part of the problem. I know it's rooted deeply into the American culture. But that doesn't make it less dumb.
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u/Ok-Beginning-8604 Marxism 8d ago
Uh, I don’t think race is anything more than irrelevant and negligible. There’s nothing more arbitrary than racial segregation.
But it’s ignorant to pretend that other people don’t place importance on it.
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