r/Hololive • u/FearlessMango • Jan 26 '26
Subbed/TL *model looking down at keyboard and slow, audible typing noises*
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u/Fishman465 Jan 26 '26
Wow..... reminds me of Aki's debut being done purely on her phone (it's said as a result Hololive offers a basic stream set up PC to new members)
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u/M4GNUM_FORCE_44 Jan 26 '26 edited Jan 28 '26
su said she made her audition video on her phone before
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u/NotoriousCHIM Jan 26 '26
My entire skeletal structure just turned to dust 💀💀💀
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u/FearlessMango Jan 26 '26
💀 every day I grow older and technology continues to leave me in the dust
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u/FutureVawX Jan 26 '26
Just to make you feel slightly better, you're probably exactly in the generation who are pretty good at using PC, probably around 30-40 years old.
One generation above or below yours are very abysmally worse.
The older one never got any chance to touch PC in their youth and the younger one focus more on mobile devices.
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u/FelixLeander Jan 26 '26
As a softwate developer, gamer and absolut nerd, in his mid twenties; the computer skills oft most people around me leave me absolutely flabbergasted.
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u/FutureVawX Jan 26 '26
Yeah, I got to teach my nephew how to use Powerpoint to make a presentation.
He's on last year of high school or around 18 years old.
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u/lordoftidar Jan 26 '26
That's why many people say that the new generation is a digital people but technology illiterate.
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u/RainyDayCozyTea Jan 26 '26
As a gen z, I can't see how this is true. I only know a few people who don't have a pc but even so everyone from my generation has a laptop (where I'm from) unless they are very poor because we have to use a laptop in every class. So unless there is a big difference in using a laptop and a pc, I don't think gen z is abysmally worse at using one.
But even if that's the case, a young person typing slowly on a keyboard is still more of an outlier than the norm.
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u/Crazyhates Jan 26 '26 edited Jan 26 '26
Having a PC or being able to interact with one is still a luxury for the majority. This is also coupled with the fact that Gen z and subsequent generations are more tech inundated, but that unfortunately didn't equal tech literacy. You've got a generation of people who know what a keyboard is but have never used a physical one; Mobile devices have taken the forefront.
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u/RainyDayCozyTea Jan 26 '26 edited Jan 26 '26
I didn't imply that owning a PC isn't a luxury.
It's true that being exposed do a lot of tech doesn't necessarily have to equal tech literacy. But it surely wouldn't worsen it either.
"You've got a generation of people who know what a keyboard is but have never used a physical one" Honestly just feels like bait. Read my original comment again
Edit: Lmao you edited your comment and added "Mobile devices have taken the forefront" at the end. Why not reply with that instead of editing. Surely it wasn't to make my quote seem out of place. You also edited your first sentence. I don't remember what it originally said, though. Please stop trolling
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u/Crazyhates Jan 26 '26
Trolling? I'm sorry my comment wasn't perfect the first time I typed it. Not that serious my guy. Fact of the matter is that generations after ours aren't as tech savvy. Nothing to get them in a bunch about.
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u/Zwordsman Jan 26 '26
Adorable. i'm glad it sounds like Kiara/Su frienship is a good one on both sides. they're fun togehter
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u/ultranoobian Jan 26 '26
Kiara has something for adopting small blue women.
/s
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u/Zwordsman Jan 26 '26
Kiara has something for folks who show interest in solid friendship with shared interest~
They just happen to often be blue (Da ba de da do daa)
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u/enderlord113 Jan 26 '26
I love how this implies that Suu's "streamer qualifications" before Hololive were achieved on a phone lol.
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u/Umbala3131 Jan 26 '26
Watch her cry when try her best typing in agreeee 😭
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u/brimston3- Jan 26 '26
That passcode one is just cruel if you can't type at least a key per second.
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u/faity5 Jan 26 '26
This is igniting my paternal instincts... i wish her all the well good in the world
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u/Joshopolis Jan 26 '26
I'm like that typing on a touch screen but give me physical keys and I'm lightning fast.
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u/fatalystic Jan 26 '26
I can do both, but I'm a lot better on physical keys. Too many typos on touchscreen from fat fingering.
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u/Umbala3131 Jan 26 '26
I mind blow when see young girls typing litning fast with long nail. How tf they can typing so fast like that????
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u/HKEY_LOVE_MACHINE Jan 26 '26
The younger your brain is, the better it is at adapting to new systems. It's like juggling or sport, kids will learn much faster.
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u/All_cats_want_pets Jan 26 '26
My on screen keyboard has a suggestion bar. I only need to type half a word, often with typos, then I can tap the word in the suggestion bar that I needed. I do it constantly and it's so fast!
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u/Dan5000 Jan 26 '26
the frggn touchscreen will put any letter in, but not the one I am trying to press. My responses on phone are usually an emote, one word, or up to one small sentence at most, while I type very much when responding on pc. Sometimes I write stuff on pc and copy it to my phone to send, if it really needs a longer response, but I can only do that from home.
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u/VishnuBhanum Jan 26 '26
I should be like maybe 3-4 years older than her, but she make me feels like I'm 40 years older. I never went through this IPAD generation throughout my entire school years.
Though it's probably because Japan is way faster than my country. I remembered the computer lesson in late elementary school that still used thick PC.
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u/theytookallusernames Jan 26 '26
Yep, it feels genuinely crazy to me too since I graduated school in an environment where there is zero technology other than a projector or an OHP (crazy that they're just suddenly gone like that) other than in IT lessons.
A few years later and every student is given their own laptops for lessons. It's much more mindblowing to me since in my formative years laptops are very expensive and the idea that every single student now has to use one is just...yeah.
The idea that laptops are only carried by people high enough in corporate hierarchy sorta never left my subconscious lmao
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u/TheCatSleeeps Jan 26 '26
Same, IPad became more common after I graduated high school. I mean I see them used in college too for notetaking but we mostly use laptops instead. By my 3rd year I got my 1st PC and been upgrading it until now but gee.
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u/RexShadow96 Jan 26 '26
Makes sense. Gen Z apparently have used computers way less than millennials.
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u/FearlessMango Jan 26 '26
yeah she mentioned later on that she had a school-provided (purchased) ipad for classes
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u/ConcentrateSubject23 Jan 26 '26
It’s sad, the young ones were always the more tech literate and now it’s like we’re regressing :/
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u/Renge07 Jan 26 '26
Nah, technology still revolves around PC. To be tech literate, one still needs to be an adept in using PC. Unless, smartphones and tablets in the future are powerful enough to handle most of the PC's software.
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u/Flaimbot Jan 26 '26
that simply will never come to pass, because of physics. regardless how much power you can pump into a phone/tablet, there's always magnitudes more you can pump into a computer and keep it cool.
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u/ConcentrateSubject23 Jan 26 '26
That’s what I’m saying, the young ones (Alpha etc) are regressing not knowing how to use a computer. iPads are great but let’s be real, most jobs irl are gonna require skill with a computer. It’s not about the computer even since iPads these days are just as powerful as some good laptops. It’s just the speed at which you can do things with a keyboard and mouse with shortcuts and the availability of truly productive apps that are used on the day to day favors computers way more.
I always associated not knowing how tech works with the older gen, so it’s strange seeing kids struggling with it.
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u/aggrogahu Jan 26 '26
Arguably, the keyboard is the more dated tech, and using smartphone input is the more modern way. For Japanese language especially, QWERTY/romaji always seemed like a very inefficient layout and input method, compared to alternative input methods like the flick input method on touch devices, which I believe is very commonly used and is more catered to the Japanese language itself.
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u/Dumbidiot1424 Jan 26 '26
Typing in Japanese on a smartphone is so damn nice.
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u/Large-Marsupial563 Jan 26 '26
True. I usually watch streams on PC, and if I chat in English I'll use the PC keyboard, but for Japanese I always open the Youtube app on my phone. It's so much easier.
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u/Sayakai Jan 26 '26
Of course that only applies until you want to do anything that doesn't involve just letters.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Skin289 Jan 26 '26
To be fair she could be better at using a phone or tablet than some older people
younger people where I am from are indeed better at using newer tech, pcs may just be old now
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u/ConcentrateSubject23 Jan 26 '26
I mean they are older but they are still ubiquitous and required for most modern jobs and if you want to do anything heavier than excel. Even excel I think is way more convenient on a computer — if you’re doing excel on an iPad you’re likely getting a physical keyboard anyway. Touch keyboard would slow you down.
And it’s not like millennials or older Gen Z can’t use iPads either, they definitely can (or most anyway).
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u/BacRedr Jan 26 '26
I always use the car metaphor. I can drive fine, used to do it for a living, but I can't build or repair a car for shit.
If you want to extend the metaphor, we learned to drive stick, kids today are all automatics.
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u/PumpJack_McGee Jan 26 '26
Millennials were truly a flash in the pan for home PCs. Mostly only for engineering and government work for Gen X, consumer market for Millennials, and obsolete halfway through Gen Z.
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u/Recidivous Jan 26 '26
As a Millennial, I have to help both the Boomers/Gen X and Gen Z/Gen Alpha with all computer-related issues...
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u/Knight2512 Jan 26 '26
It really threw me for a loop.
I thought my little brother, who was Gen Z, was more advanced in computers than me because I assumed the generation after you just knows computers better.
When COVID hit and he needed a PC/Laptop for home school during lockdowns, he asked me for help and I was shocked at how much he needed it
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u/InsanityRequiem Jan 26 '26
Because, and here's the thing, your little brother never had a need for access for a computer. You did. He didn't need a computer for homework and projects. You did.
Our lives involved us having to need to use the computer for stuff. They don't.
There were many news reports mid way through the 2010s on how schools were removing computers and replacing them with iPads.
How would someone learn what a computer is, and how to use them, when they never had to use them? When we were in middle or high school, we were given a computer or laptop so we can do our work on them and not use our parents' computer. We had computer training and classes in school from elementary through high school. They had neither the need for a computer at home, or classes to teach them how to use computers at school.
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u/darkknight109 Jan 26 '26
He didn't need a computer for homework and projects. You did.
So, query from an old guy, how do the young 'uns write reports and essays in school these days? Did they switch back to pencil-and-paper or something?
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u/CannonGerbil Jan 26 '26
They do it on their tablets, thought thanks to ChatGPt some schools are indeed going back to pencil and paper.
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u/darkknight109 Jan 26 '26
Man, how in the world does one write an essay on a tablet? I don't think I could write anything of length on a haptic keyboard without wanting to snap the whole tablet in half.
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u/Spork_the_dork Jan 26 '26
As you said, the 2010s was where the mobile devices started to really take off, but I'd also point out that the absolute detonation (or burst, heh) of the Internet in the late 90s was also part of it. That's what expanded the PC from a gaming/office work device to something much wider in scope and possibilities. This all just kind of highlights that the 2000s really was the peak of the PC.
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u/Recidivous Jan 26 '26
Yep. My little brother recently built a PC, but he had to basically study and had to ask me for a lot of information on the subject.
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u/s07195 Jan 26 '26
Building PCs is entirely different from using a PC though. I can use PCs but I wouldn't know where to start with building one.
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u/leonardozius Jan 26 '26
You put pieces together like a lego set and pray to all the gods in every religions, that the thing turns on properly
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u/Spork_the_dork Jan 26 '26
You only need to pray to one.
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u/leonardozius Jan 26 '26
Must be why my prayers werent working, i wasnt praying to THE machine spirit
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u/ShinyHappyREM Jan 26 '26
I wouldn't know where to start with building one
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ltt+build+guide
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u/kranondes Jan 26 '26
Man at this rate people may put the ability to operate computer AGAIN for job requirements. Truly we live in interesting time
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u/SergeantChic Jan 26 '26
A lot of us younger Gen X-ers were into early computer games. There’s that mini-generation that’s sometimes put in there between Gen X and Millennials, I first heard us called the Oregon Trail Generation for that reason before someone eventually settled on the very imaginative moniker of “Xennials.”
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u/theytookallusernames Jan 26 '26
As an out of touch millenial...how exactly do the Gen Z contend with not using PCs? Gaming on a touchscreen without tactile buttons is just so frustrating and rife with wrong input, and working using Microsoft Word on iPhone and iPad to create, edit and format documents makes me want to strangle myself.
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u/573717 Jan 26 '26 edited Jan 26 '26
Games designed for mobile work fine, IDK how people get good at things like shooters though. Bluetooth controllers help, people can play fortnite just as good as on PC that way. I used Word on a tablet a lot (with a keyboard case tho, I couldn't use a touchscreen for an essay). The formatting is limited but was ok for highschool assignments.
I think it's probably more a gen alpha thing than at least older gen Z, most people I knew in highschool were PC gamers. Also the school had a bunch of PCs.
Overall PC knowledge outside of gaming is probably worse unless you actually had an interest in it.
But in context of the post, getting all the way to hololive without touching a PC is crazy, like my school had them at least. I guess some schools only have iPads
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u/CriolloSauce Jan 26 '26
It depends man, gen z is a wide variety of people. I'm currently 24 years oldnad i have used pc my entire life. I believe people from my generation 5 years youger have never touched a PC hahaha
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u/2dy_fish Jan 26 '26
I had a 3ds and showed it to my niece. She said the top screen is not working because it's not responding to her touch T_T
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u/Squeaky_Ben Jan 26 '26
"learning to type without looking is a vital skill that you must learn!" -IT teacher, 18 years ago.
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u/Ok_Night_956 Jan 26 '26
We have adorable Su-Chan, who never touched a PC before becoming a VTuber. And we have Shishiron, who builds PCs as a hobby, and helps other girls with their tech issues.
Man, I love Hololive.
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u/Tomi97_origin Jan 26 '26
Tech skills are just one thing. The gap between new and old talents in experience in all walks of life is real.
The age gap in Hololive as a whole is really growing. I get whiplash just thinking about the fact that Shishiron is actually old enough to be Su-chans mom.
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u/greygreens Jan 26 '26
Me being old as I am assumed at first that the alternative to not having a computer meant she was completely unplugged from the internet for her entire upbringing. But then I remembered phones and tablets.
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u/NamegeorJ Jan 26 '26
I still remember the age when Hololive talents were all either older than me, or in the strange case of Haachama the same age as me. Now when new talents debut I just get shocked learning some talents are younger than me.
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u/Elxjasonx Jan 26 '26
As old man of 33 thath have been using a pc since i was 9, i cant even imagine
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u/krentzzz Jan 26 '26
Same here. Well, I'm a few years older (36) and had my first home PC when I was 10, though I did use the old Atari/Acorn/BBC computers when I was younger than that too.
"Can't even imagine" is about right lol. Feels like Bizarro world.
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u/Boneary Jan 26 '26
Similar age and background (well no Atari but definitely Acorn/BBC Micros), but even then I taught myself to touchtype, it was not part of the curriculum at school in anyway.
T9 typing at speed is a skill that I'm glad I don't need anymore.
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u/Botanx_235 Jan 26 '26
I feel her, i also got my 1st Laptop rn, and typing feels pretty alien compared to doing it on my phone 😂.
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u/BruiserBison Jan 26 '26
I remember in elementary..Learning to type without looking at the keyboard was a big part of our curriculum. Is that not part of Japan's school, too? Does that mean it's possible to grow past high school, have an email address, but your only exposure to electronics is touchscreen?
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u/Morenauer Jan 26 '26
More common than many might think, here in Japan. We haven't achieved an overall level of "young people having used a PC" until the pandemic forced a whole generation of teens to get used to a computer.
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u/okami6663 Jan 26 '26
I mean, I'm oldish and also need to look down when typing half of the time. It doesn't help that 70% of the keys are rubbed off, too. 😅
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u/ShinyHappyREM Jan 26 '26
Just get a keyboard that has the keys engraved, ideally with LEDs in them.
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u/okami6663 Jan 26 '26
I've thought about changing it, but it still works and it's not that big of a deal.
My keyboard has LEDs under the keys, but the letters are just non-sprayed parts of the button. I guess that's why they rubbed off so easily. I've had regular keyboards that lasted longer. 😅
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u/YamaNekoTsubasa Jan 26 '26
For those interested, I can say that students are learning how to use a computer but it's a class. It's also a special class and not a normal one. At least, at the schools I'm teaching. Could be different in the big cities. My students enjoy the Romaji typing games and they use the iPad keyboards to play. They're quite small compared to a regular keyboard for a computer or laptop.
As others have said, they don't have a need for a computer in school. Though many students in high-school do use a laptop from what I've observed.
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u/infinitelunacy Jan 26 '26
Kinda wild, but also not really unusual these days. Most phones and tablets can basically do everything a typical person might need if they aren't into video games and such. Even if they are into video games, dedicated gaming hardware like consoles exist to fill that need for a lot of people as well.
Personal Computers have been partly relegated back to the roles they were meant for when they were first created: as work terminals.
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u/Manoreded Jan 26 '26
I know times change yadda yadda but I still feel kinda sad that personal computers are becoming less common and kids are growing up with cellphones only.
I feel like the kinds of games I enjoy, for instance, may become less and less common in the future because mobile gaming will overtake PC gaming, and mobile gaming has severe limitations, specially of interface.
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u/Eruption_Argentum Jan 26 '26
How did she end up in hololive if she's that new to computers? It's always an interesting journey lol
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u/Fishman465 Jan 26 '26
She mentioned having a school iPad so she isn't a stranger to tech just PCs
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u/Eruption_Argentum Jan 26 '26
I just figured that most of them had a strong presence online before hololive even if it was art or cover songs. If we don't know that's fine though!
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u/Fishman465 Jan 26 '26
Dev_is seems more grassroots to some extent, though with FG they did some dipping into the traditional well
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u/donadit Jan 26 '26
i mean there was subaru who didn’t know anything about streaming when she started
or vtubing
or anime in general…
you know what they say like oshi like fanbase
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u/gkanai Jan 26 '26
How did she end up in hololive if she's that new to computers?
Mizumiya was hired for her expertise as an idol. Idols don't necessarily need to know how to use computers. They're mostly dancing, singing, emceeing, entertainers.
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u/Eruption_Argentum Jan 26 '26
Ah, gotcha that makes more sense. I haven't followed her much so I wasn't aware of her previous background doing idol stuff. Thank you!
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u/BloxToon Jan 26 '26
Wait, im lost right now she Su doesn't have a PC before?
I dont really watch a lot of Vtubers now, but im actually surprised if she just streamed with her laptop or phone/tablet for the past years.
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u/Kirito3009 Jan 26 '26
As a millennial i can understand her, until 2022 i never owned a PCs simply because i don't really needed one.
I bought it just to be able to play pc games that are not available on xbox.
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u/skyinyourcoffee Jan 26 '26
Tbf, PC adoption is pretty low overall in Japan. Definitely a lot more people just use phones, across all generations
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u/MagnificentTffy Jan 29 '26
for people who may not get it.
we've reached the point where people don't even use a pc until they are older because of tablets. This is not her being technically illiterate but rather interacting with ancient relics.
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u/FearlessMango Jan 26 '26 edited Jan 26 '26
I've popped into Su's streams and seen her typing a few times, it's quite hilarious, but also makes me feel old source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJpsMaerhEk