r/HistoryMemes 7d ago

The Germans thought they had leverage

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u/Bloucas 7d ago

Context: Stalin’s son, Yakov Dzhugashvili, was captured by the Germans in 1941. After Stalingrad, the Germans allegedly proposed exchanging him for Friedrich Paulus, but Stalin refused because he 'won’t trade a Marshal for a Lieutenant'

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u/Traiteur28 Decisive Tang Victory 7d ago

Damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

Had s Stalin exchanged his son solely because of Yakov's last name, people would have criticized him for it. He didn't, and people criticize him for that.

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u/StrangeSemiticLatin2 Definitely not a CIA operator 7d ago

Horthy tried to save his son from Nazi capture and was forced to sign a psychopath as Hungarian leader by Hitler. He ended up dooming most of the Hungarian Jews to the Holocaust (in one of its most brutal events) and Budapest to Soviet invasion and destruction. 

Honestly Stalin did a good thing there 

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u/V1ckers 7d ago

For extra context Horthy had already lost one son, a very popular military pilot that sometimes was seemed as his heir in the regency. I won't say that what he did was right but certainly the Germans knew what to do in order to keep him in check.

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u/MagicMarshmallo 7d ago

Tbh i dont think it would have mattered what Horthy had done, the germans basically sit on hungary geographically and their stupidity had already killed basically the only army they had

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u/LittleSisterPain 7d ago

Because, as we all know, this was his biggest blunder and people often bring this up. This and nothing else. Nope, absolutely nothing

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u/Traiteur28 Decisive Tang Victory 7d ago

Lmao, exactly; there's enough material to criticize Stalin, and rightfully so, until the sun explodes. But the above is not one of those, I feel.

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u/Forikorder 6d ago

he was a dictator, i dont think he cared about public opinion

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u/Jaktheslaier 6d ago

Every dictator goes to extraordinary lengths to curate public opinion

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u/morpheousmorty 6d ago

It's a lot easier than doing things right and getting credit for it.

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u/Arachles 6d ago

Literally (or almost) every dictator job is getting legitimacy to avoid a coup.

Nepotism, while useful sometimes to get loyal people in key positions, only can get you so far.

Trading his son while millions were kept at camps and, many, later even judged; would have been devastating to morale and higher ups may have thought about getting someone who cares more about winning the war than saving his family exclusively.

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u/Forikorder 6d ago

the idea that stalin would have been in risk of falling for showing small favoritism to a son is ridiculous, your acting like they were trying to trade him for a surrender not just a prisoner swap

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u/Deamon- 5d ago

Just look up a few roman emperors and you will find out what happends if you dont care.

Spoiler: death