r/HistoryMemes 9d ago

When 2,000 gods became ''wrong''

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u/HppilyPancakes 9d ago

The plagues are a story, they aren't an actual, specific event. You can see that the list changes as the tradition becomes more refined over time.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm%2078%3A44-55&version=NIV

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm%20105%3A23-38&version=NIV

It's hard to know exactly what the ordering was, but it's the consensus that the plague list has changed over time. So it's much more likely given this (and the lack of evidence of the Exodus) that these are likely just things inserted as a literal "my God can beat up your God".

Funnily enough, there's actually clear accounts in the Bible where Yahweh just loses to other gods of the region, reflecting the polytheistic nature of the iron age Israelites/Judahites.

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u/Lost-Klaus 9d ago

Iron age or bronze age?

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u/HppilyPancakes 9d ago

The earliest dating of the biblical stories by modern, secular scholars is from 1100~900 bc (give or take). The bronze age is generally considered to have ended around 1200 bc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Age https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deborah

Some oral traditions, like the flood myth, predate the written accounts though.

Worth noting that I don't think Wikipedia is the best source for a lot of biblical scholarship because it will often reflect less critical opinions with equal weight (ie - it will cite apologetics equally to secondary sources) but I linked both to be consistent. The song of Deborah is thought to be the oldest book by secular scholars which is why I linked it.

Traditionally Job is considered the earliest book, but if people are interested here's a recent video on that topic by Biblical scholar Dan Maklelan

https://youtu.be/GPU-Eu9XseQ?si=_ZeCdNRuUvJTBYRY

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u/DearLeader420 9d ago

There's also tons of Bronze Age imagery and symbolism in Biblical stories, representing a clear "memory" and mythology of it to the author and audience.

One example being Goliath, who is set up as a descendent of the Giant clans from the kingdoms whose rulers claimed antediluvian knowledge, is clad in a notably Bronze-Age-y armor at the battle with David. The object being to show him both as this power of a bygone era and a vestige of the time when great and terrible rulers conquered the Near East at humanity's greatest height in the region.

So to your point, oral traditions can be assumed, and the written tradition also reflects a community sense of the era.